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Yamaha C5, C3, or G3 grand? #244703
07/07/07 04:45 PM
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I'm in the market to replace my Yamaha P22. I've outgrown the sound of the P22. Over the past several years, I've had the opprotunity to play several different Yamaha Grand Piano's.

Now that I'm in the market, I don't know which one to go with. After looking around, I see that a G3 can be purchase in the $7500 range where as the C5 models go for nearly twice in some situations.

After asking many piano shops, I've yet to receieve a clean explanation as to the differences and benefits of each model. I play mostly classical and some new age. Since I currently live in a townhouse, I will need something not as bright and loud as the P22 upright. All of the Yamaha Grand's that I've played were much more pleasant and quite when need be, which is good smile

What are your thoughts?

Thank you,
Matt

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Re: Yamaha C5, C3, or G3 grand? #244704
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Matt,
I too am a fan of Yamaha pianos. None the less there are many great pianos out in the world today. You need to get yourself out to some piano stores and play play play. Visit as many stores as you can and play as many pianos as you can long before you shell out the cash. And don't let the sales waggles talk you in to anything. Pianos do not fly out doors of showrooms and deals are to be had if you are patient. You have a good piano now so take your time and find a great grand.

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Re: Yamaha C5, C3, or G3 grand? #244705
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A clean answer:

The C3 differs from the G3 is the following:

G3 uses a laminated softwood rim, C3 uses softwood/hardwood every other laminant. The advantage is dominantly an increase in power and sustain.

The C3 has a higher average grains per inch in the soundboard, I think it was 14/18.

The C3 uses a heavier, harder hammer with walnut cores. This makes the C3 project more and is generally a little brighter.

The treble hammershanks are tapered in the C3 to remove "woodyness" from the action noise allowing crisper top two octaves.

C3 has beveled edges on lids, G3 is squared.

Some people like the C3 sound better, some don't.

In my 37 years as a Yamaha dealer, we kept them side by side. Most prefered the C3.

The C5 is the same as the C3 except for length.


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Re: Yamaha C5, C3, or G3 grand? #244706
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Nicely done Steve. I didn't know about the rim diff.


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Re: Yamaha C5, C3, or G3 grand? #244707
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Steve - thanks for the excellent explanation. That's exactly what I was looking for. Not that I totally understand all of it, but it was important for me to know the real details. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing out.

I did go to a local piano warehouse who had several different Yamaha Grand's. I fell in love with a rebuilt C3. At the time I didn't have the financing available so I had to leave empty handed.

Since I've been looking around, I contacted BHA from an ad on ebay. They were very pleasant to speak with but I'm not too comfortable dealing with a mail order deal for a new piano. They always have C3's and C5's available and in new, not rebuilt condition.

Is my safest bet to go with a ~15 year old non-rebuilt unit vs a 30yr old rebuilt unit?

Thanks!
Matt

Re: Yamaha C5, C3, or G3 grand? #244708
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A 15 year old non rebuilt is your better bet for a few reasons.
You will never achieve the same precision level when refurbishing an older mdl.compared to a newer original from the Hamamatsu factory in Japan.
The R&R older Yamaha pianos coming in "gray market" that Iv'e seen are of an older scale design with substandard restoration.
The newer the Asian piano the better Ex. Yamaha has changed it's scale design on a Yamaha G2 parlor grand 14 times since it's original scale.
Constantly trying to improve it's performance
The original has to be in fairly new cond. /low milage to even consider it. Hire a tech

Steve, awesome factual comparison on the C3 & G3
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