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Pianoteq 5 soley for improving practice? #2443669 07/22/15 11:51 AM
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether buying pianoteq would be useful to me for the distinct purpose of having my practice closer resemble that of on an acoustic.

Background, I have a number of amazing virtual pianos already as although I am a beginner pianist, I have had a recording studio for many years. The list currently includes, Vintage D, Piano in Blue, all the NI pianos and a few oddities from Spitfire Audion.

With the exception of adding Ivory American D to my collection I feel I am pretty set as far as VIs for production purposes.

Pianoteq would not be very useful for me in this regard as having scoured the online demos and downloaded the trial version I have decided it is not yet up to scratch for use in a production (as a solo instrument at least) however, many people sing the praises of the playability of this instrument. That actually seems logical given that it is modelled and therefore, for example, complex overtone interactions or the impacts of touch and pedalling can be produced only limited by the algorithm and processing grunt as opposed to the sample set being manipulated.

Ultimately I will have my acoustic piano by the end of the year but is there anything for me to gain by practicing with Pianoteq in the mean time in respect to my interpretation abilities or the transference of skills to acoustics in your opinion?

Obviously I can try the demo by myself and feel the difference but it is hard to judge whether or not this would have a positive impact on my abilities if used as my practice instrument so i bow to your superior experience and piano skills :-)

Oh and my controller is currently an MP10.

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Mark.

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Re: Pianoteq 5 soley for improving practice? [Re: Sketches] #2443677 07/22/15 12:10 PM
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. . . Obviously I can try the demo by myself and feel the difference but it is hard to judge whether or not this would have a positive impact on my abilities if used as my practice instrument so i bow to your superior experience and piano skills :-)


IMHO:

You might re-think the question -- not "will Pianoteq be better for my playing?", but:

. . . "Will I enjoy playing Pianoteq more than my sample-players?"

Do the "obvious" thing -- install the demo and try it out. Your own ears and fingers will answer the question.




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Re: Pianoteq 5 soley for improving practice? [Re: Sketches] #2443679 07/22/15 12:22 PM
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Yeah, I have the demo and it does feel nice. I guess I am posing the question as I imagine any potential benefits (if any) of practice with a high quality modelled instrument vs a sampled instrument will only manifest over time and thus are hard to judge with the limitations of the demo.

I do realise this is a very speculative question and a very subjective one at that though, so... well maybe I'll just bite the bullet and see what falls out the back of it.

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If one of your goals is to improve your control of dynamics, I'd go with the Vintage D above all others. If you can control Vintage D, you're good.

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Originally Posted by Sketches

I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether buying pianoteq would be useful to me for the distinct purpose of having my practice closer resemble that of on an acoustic.

Background, I have a number of amazing virtual pianos already as although I am a beginner pianist, I have had a recording studio for many years. The list currently includes, Vintage D, Piano in Blue, all the NI pianos and a few oddities from Spitfire Audion.


sure, why not? I'm sure your hard drive can handle a few megabytes after several gigatons of samples


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Re: Pianoteq 5 soley for improving practice? [Re: Sketches] #2443794 07/22/15 08:26 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. @MacMacMac Piano in Blue is almost laughable in that respect. Different tools for different jobs I guess as it sounds amazing in the right context.

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Sure I guess it can. Might give it a shot and see. Thanks.

90% of my practice I do with the built in sound of my MP10. It reacts in a playability sense better than any of my VSTs. Sounds like crap though in a production. Maybe Ivory two is the perfect compromise. Nothing else seems to be (understandable)

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Just stick with the internal sounds for practice. No, Pianoteq will not make you play any better! But buy it if you have money burning a hole in your pocket and you like buying things.


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You would probably be very happy with Piano Teq. But there are some things to consider.

First a little background. I used to design digital pianos used by professionals all over the world and I've played piano, all my life (also a tuner/tech). Currently, I am performing live and much of my playing is solo piano. I've just completed a two year trec to see if there is something out there that is truly a professional product that I can play without being distracted by clunky notes, uneven sampling, unnatural decays, flying harmonics and host of other problems that plague most of the products out there. And those problems are there because no one's doing the hard work especially in large memory pianos.

It is the playability of the Piano Teq that's the key and gives a real sense of playing an instrument that expresses beautifully without defects popping up... a product that isn't working against your creativity. I desperation to find one box that might do the job... I bought a Roland RD800 and a Yamaha CP4 after eliminating most of the VST stuff. Most of the VST pianos suffer from defects in layering, poor sampling, pianos not maintained very well, out of tune notes, all stuff that shows up at the wrong times. This is particularly noticeable at high volume on stage during solo performance.

Now the Piano Teq issues: The Piano Teq is only going to feel as good as your controller allows. The only reason I kept the Roland is because the hammer action is a perfect fit for the Piano Teq which is only piano I can use on stage, exposed, at high volume and playing very demanding music. But I had to spend a lot of time editing the out-of-the-box renderings.

So your controller is one key. The other is, finding Piano Teq EDITED piano files... where if someone has done the hard work... you can really have the closest thing to a viable replacement for an acoustic concert grand. Not a single performance goes by that I don't hear how beautiful the piano was. But for me the most important thing is that I didn't miss anything because I was distracted, I was able to stay totally relaxed and focused on maintaining a flow, I was able to perfectly express every single impulse, creative improv, exactly as I intended and that leaves me at the end of the night refreshed, relaxed and assured instead of frazzled because I was distracted by product defects that shouldn't have been there to begin with.

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I've taken Vintage D and Ivory off my SSD (long ago) and use only Pianoteq. It is more expressive, more realistic, than sampled software pianos, the N2 and the 700NX. I wish the bass were richer, but maybe version 6, 7 … 12 will finally get there. It's great for practice -- a joy to play.


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The bass depends on which Piano model you're using (Steinway, Blutner, K2). If you have the PRO version you can amaze yourself with bass richness. The quick fix is to judiciously use some eq... and it works but is not the best solution. When I edit these pianos I begin by disabling any effects including Reverb, compression, and eq.

So let me know what piano model you're using, which ones you have, and if you have PRO version and then I can better figure out how to help get that rich lower piano stuff. I use Piano Teq in Live performance with a mastering DAC and the sound is magnificent and soooo very easy to play and cover with so little effort.

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Thanks. I have them all -- even the historical instruments.


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The Blutner is probably the easiest to edit, next is the Steinway, the K2 can sound tremendous but takes a lot of editing to straighten it out.

The easiest way to get the bass up, is to raise the fundamental (front panel gives access to the first 8 harmonics). Try raising the #1 slider and see if that brings the bass up... it should. If in turn that makes the upper octaves obnoxious then you'll have to do some note editing which will clog this thread up... maybe we could start another if you want to pursue it.

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I will play around with it. Thanks.


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Hi, could you please post the fxp file after you are satisfied? Us standard users would like to get a taste of the pie as well :P


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