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Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: Akino] #2443786
07/22/15 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Akino
Hi,
I have to chime in. I had vertigo three times in my life and the feeling is so bad one would prefer to die. I always was driving.
What I know about vertigo is that a little crystal in you inner ear got loose and was 'swimming' around causing all the bad effects. It's possible it come from certain head movements, but definitely not from playing your piano. So, no worries there.

If it happens again, you can do certain movements with your head, if your condition allows it. I couldn't do it because it made it worse. The movements are very easy and it would be best to have a partner who can move your head as you have to lay down, what you've done anyway I gues.

You can also find good tutorial on youtube. It's called EPLEY maneuver.

It comes out of the blue and for me the only thing that helps is to lay down for hours and not move. Hope you'll never get it again.


Yep. As weird as it sounds, I knew someone who had the messed up ear crystal, yes, the doctor moved his head around and fixed it.

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Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2443829
07/22/15 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
I've never had vertigo issues before, but I had an attack while practicing piano Saturday night that was so bad I thought I was having a stroke. Went to local Emergency Room, they ran a full battery of tests: Not a stroke, not a heart attack -- but possibly an inner ear disorder likely to recur.

It did recur, late last evening -- again while I was practicing piano. Not quite as severe, but much longer. The world was spinning around me nearly uncontrollably for an hour, causing nausea and other bad stuff. Walking was impossible. Crawling was hard.

Today I've been trying without much luck to get in to see a specialist. I want to put a stake in this STAT.

Has anyone else here ever encountered vertigo issues while playing the piano? That both attacks hit me while practicing may be sheer coincidence. On the other hand, I've been trying to explain to my better half that the risk factors would be reduced if I got a larger, more substantial piano...


As an RN who used to work in home health, I have cared for a number of patients who had vertigo. Yours may be caused by simply moving your head up and down , reading the music and looking at the keyboard. Be careful, change your position slowly to prevent falling. You will most likely need to see a specialist who will move you and your head in a number of positions to help re-seat the crystals in your inner ear. I wish you the best.


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Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2444086
07/24/15 01:37 AM
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Hi ClsscLib

You have my complete sympathy !!... It sounds like you are doing all the right things... Emergency room checkup and now following up with a specialist.. I'm sure there are a number of issues that can cause vertigo and it's important to get to the root cause..

I have experienced occasional episodes over the years. HORRIBLE stuff !... My diagnosis was fluid build up in the ear.. ( from bad allergy seasons).. The first episodes went on for months w/ dizziness and non-stop nausea.. Meds did nothing to help symptoms.. I now am careful to manage allergies w/ prescription(s) year round and only get the rare attack that passes briefly.. ( i do have some vision/depth perception issues that maybe makes me even more sensitive to vertigo .. who knows smile

BEST OF LUCK w/ your diagnosis.. You'll feel better once you know what's going on !!!...

cassiesmom

Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2444240
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I had that back in the '70's and '80's when shag carpet was in style. Very thankful for that -- I could lie on my back and hang on tight to the shag, which helped a bit with the fear of falling off the planet... ;-)

Mine was horrible, but it just went away.




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Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2444241
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I have had two such episodes (the dizziness/spinning/loss of balance sypmtoms). After researching, I became convinced that I was experiencing benign paroxysmal positional vertigo (BPPV), as you mentioned above.

Both times I attained complete relief by using the Epley maneuver, mentioned by Akino above. It is a very simple exercise, and in my case, was completely effective.

There are some very detailed descriptions and tutorials on the internet. I suggest it.


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Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2444328
07/24/15 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
I've never had vertigo issues before, but I had an attack while practicing piano Saturday night that was so bad I thought I was having a stroke. Went to local Emergency Room, they ran a full battery of tests: Not a stroke, not a heart attack -- but possibly an inner ear disorder likely to recur.

It did recur, late last evening -- again while I was practicing piano. Not quite as severe, but much longer. The world was spinning around me nearly uncontrollably for an hour, causing nausea and other bad stuff. Walking was impossible. Crawling was hard.

Today I've been trying without much luck to get in to see a specialist. I want to put a stake in this STAT.

Has anyone else here ever encountered vertigo issues while playing the piano? That both attacks hit me while practicing may be sheer coincidence. On the other hand, I've been trying to explain to my better half that the risk factors would be reduced if I got a larger, more substantial piano...


Don't have time to read everyone's response. Sorry if it's mentioned by someone before me but I did experience vertigo when I try to get up one morning. My doctor gave me a copy of exercise routine to prevent it. I could not find it but I found related sites. Good luck and take care.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/mobileart-emh.asp?articlekey=129503


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Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2841299
04/21/19 10:52 PM
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Just had the exact same thing happen to me last month! 2nd time in a year.
It is likely BPPV. My first episode was cause I hit my head several times on a rental sonata and I have a Santa Fe.
This last time was a year later ( March 27) in a self imposed piano retreat in my sons condo in Destin Florida.
Practiced piano, Skyped w my teachers, 4-6 hours a day ALL w headphones. My wonderful Beyerdynamic closed — like in a tomb. Since I was in a condo I didn’t want to disturb anyone.
On the 10th day I was taking a brunch break , turned from the stove and the Gulf and condo just spun like a top. Fell, couldn’t get to phone or 911. 7th floor. Usually when not playing piano, I was out on balcony.
Violently sick for hours , scooted along, finally subsided enough to call for help,er, meds, but it’s an inner ear crystals get loose and they have to maneuver head, like those fluid games where you have to direct flow. Lasted 2 days, finally subsided on 3rd day.
I am set for ear specialist , tests and some place gonna show me the maneuvers. I already had double by pass surgery after a heart attack and that was pale next to intense BPPV.
There is no notice, no cure, no diet, no exercise, no anything I have researched that really prevents it.
When I use my headphones, I keep them much lower and wear half as much.
Well documented connection about headphones closed inner ear pressure and vertigo.
This disorder I believe is mostly seen by people in 60s and 70s.

Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2841314
04/22/19 12:32 AM
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Have you tried taking an OTC decongestant? It is possible that could clear up an inner ear problem. I had a dizzy issue many years ago but not related to playing the piano that was resolved by a decongestant. I do not believe it is anxiety.



Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2841359
04/22/19 07:30 AM
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My father occasionally suffered from vertigo. He also had inner ear issues - he could never balance a bicycle.

I have inherited some of my father's issues, and they seem to be getting worse with age. I rode a bicycle all through college, but I can't balance one anymore. I always fall. I have seen a doctor, and it's nothing to worry about unless the symptoms start getting worse.

I've never had the symptoms that ClsscLib mentions while playing piano, but I do occasionally get a little dizzy while practicing four-octave scales and arpeggios. All that leaning back and forth... This is on a rather substantial piano, a concert grand with a Jansen bench. Funny enough, I have never gotten dizzy practicing the scales and arpeggios on my digital.


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Re: Vertigo on the Piano Bench? [Re: ClsscLib] #2841361
04/22/19 07:31 AM
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If it is BPV, here's something that worked for me. Of course, you'll still want advice from someone WAY more qualified than I am!


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