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Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? #2419182
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Hello. I was learning this short lovely Chopin's piece and everything went smoothly, up until that E major arpeggio (it's measure 21 if I can read it correctly). I can play the notes smoothly, but only in very slow tempo (under 50%). Can you recommend some exercises to gradually speed this arpeggio up? What fingerings do you use for it? Is is crucial to slip the thumb under the fingers to reach next E?
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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2419185
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In that measure I think I would do:

RH : 1 - 2 - 3 -- 1 - 2 - 3 -- 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
Alternatively you can do:
RH : 1 - 2 - 1 -- 2 - 3 - 4 -(move hand up)- 1 - 2 - 3 - 4

The second makes the thumb under easier I suppose. You need to do thumb under somehow.
I would not end with five because that makes the grace note in the next bar harder..


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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2419201
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I would play it:
2-3-1 2-3-1-2-3 4-5(c) then the trill in the next measure 3-4-3

This means no jumping and the 3 on each g# which makes it easy(ier) to thumb under.

Nice piece!


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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2419204
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Your suggestion's far better Paul blush


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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2419243
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Thanks for the fingerings, the 2-3-1... looks interesting, although I'll have to work with it some time to get used to it. 3-4-3 is probably the only way for me to do this trill, my right 5 isn't strong/agile enough.

Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2421426
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I play the arpeggio 1-2-4-1-2-4-1-2-4 then with my 3rd finger I hit the C, trill the B/C/B with 2/3/2.

I recorded this video several years ago, around the 0:43 mark you can see my fingering on that part.

edit: to answer your question if it is crucial to slip thumb under to reach the next E, that is going to come down to preference. I do my 1-2-4 than just move my whole hand up, as you can see. It may not be ideal for everybody, but it works for me. Since you are using the pedal, your 4th finger only just needs to strike the B for a moment. The pedal will make sure it gets heard, and you can keep your hand moving.


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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2421975
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Thanks for the vid. I tried some fingerings involving thumb slipping and they don't work very well for me frown. The best fingering up until now was the simplest 1-2-3 with lifting, maybe using 4 instead of 3 will help.
One more thing, how long did it take you to play it like on this video? (nice performance by the way)

Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2422436
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Thank you, I can't recall exactly. At the time I was learning it, I was living in a city where I knew nobody and was not spending much time out of the house. I'd probably say between 1 and 2 months, If longer than 2 months it wouldn't be by much.


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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2428631
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Looks like the 1-2-4 works best for me. I can already play it at about 70-80% of the "normal" tempo <3

Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2428728
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Awesome! Feel free to PM me if there is anything you care to discuss relating to this piece as you work through it. It was a few years since I've learned it, but I still play it for fun here and there. I don't visit this board as regularly as I once did, but I normally check in at least once a week.


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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2430069
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Thanks, I'm looking forward to be able to perform it laugh.
Meanwhile, I was practicing it very slowly and out of blue this strange variation came out (the LH is going slow, but the RH seems at tempo :P). Sorry for the quality, it's recorded with a portable mp3 player.

https://soundcloud.com/chantdownbabylon-2/chopin-waltz-a-minor-posthumous-slow-variation

I'm afraid that Chopin is turning in his grave though frown

Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2430089
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Lol, that sounded cool..


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Re: Waltz in A minor (posthumous) arpeggio - fingering/tips? [Re: Pulatom] #2430102
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Good luck with it. I'm working on the same piece now, and I tortured my teacher with my current rendition last night.

I am almost getting to the point, though, where I'm seeing past the technical challenge of that arpeggio to the music that it conveys. What a great moment in a very nice composition!


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