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Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please #2425242
05/26/15 09:30 PM
05/26/15 09:30 PM
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Alabama
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Hi Everyone,

I have identified this grand piano candidate about an hour away from where I live on Craigslist. The ad states that the serial number is inig0482 from 1994. This piano would not be my forever piano obviously but it appears to be in great shape and has went through a series of reductions since it first popped to its current price of $2990. Piano C'list Ad

I currently have a Casio Privia and it serves a purpose but digital pianos are so soulless and sterile. I honestly would like something in the 6-7' range or if my house dictated a smaller piano, something like a Ritmuller GH-170. I was really going to wait a while but this piano came up again and the price appears to be good to me dependent on an evaluation by a RPT. I would like more informed opinions from others. Thanks for any insights.


Jason


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: ThePawn] #2425663
05/27/15 03:25 PM
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I have one I care for 6 times a year and others I have occasional encounters with. As a 5'9" they are fair for an entry level grand. Some are decent and others not as good. Most of the ones I have come across or worked on are a little fussy to tune and keep stable. The treble tends to wander on these things with even the smallest change in humidity. I'm not a fan of the hard hammers. They can be mellowed but take regular voicing work to keep them that way. I'm definitely not a fan of the action design or ratios. They have a heaviness and inconsistency to them due in part the keys having very little or no weight, and whippen assist springs that are not easily regulated on the whippen flange... to the point that some keys are at a 76 gram down weight. The whippen design is such that some regulation tasks cannot be accomplished easily since they don't have adjusts for the repetition spring.

Aside from the hammers, tonally the scale is ok. Mine have lots of false beating in the treble, I believe due to the wide termination point of the plate. I think the bass could be improved with better wrapped strings. Against the rest of the scale the bass feels a little weak.

All in all its an ok product from Samick. There's certainly worse out there, but their is better too. Unless you're married to the idea of a polyester finish I'd also consider other makes. The Baldwin R seems to be quite popular for a used instrument.


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: SMHaley] #2425814
05/27/15 11:39 PM
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Thank you very much for your input SMHaley! Based on this opinion alone, I am not going to look at this piano. Everything that you relayed to me makes this piano a pass. I have a reasonable amount of space to work with and would like to get more piano anyways.

My teacher has a Petrof III I believe. That seems like a nice size. I have difficulty getting ppp out of it though. Of course I am a novice so that may be the issue wink I have thought that a used Baldwin L might be right for me. I just need to get out and play lots of pianos and figure all of that out. Thanks again for your thoughtful reply.

Jason


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: ThePawn] #2425841
05/28/15 01:33 AM
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I don't have specific experience with the Kohler and Campbell, but if it is a Samick I have experience with those.

I agree with (basically) everything mentioned above. But I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion. With the price falling on this instrument, might it be possible to purchase the piano for something like $2,500? If that is the budget you are working with I think this is a possibility worth looking at. I've played a Samick that had the hammers replaced with a high quality hammer, and the result was shockingly good. Still had the less than ideal action, but not shabby a piano.

It would be very surprising for a Baldwin (in reasonably good condition) to sell in that range.


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: musicpassion] #2426232
05/28/15 10:15 PM
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I am fairly certain that the K&C is a Samick product. I had thought that putting on some new hammers like Imadegawa hammers might help an instrument like this. I don't really know how much money I would want to sink in this piano. I really don't want to fight with a clunky action. I need something that will help me develop and hone my pianistic skills.

I may yet go and look at it. Like so many other people, I am always looking for a deal. I can continue to wait it out and buy something better but I find my digital to be an unsatisfying experience. It just can't provide the musical connection like a real piano. Thanks for your input.

Jason


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: ThePawn] #2426248
05/28/15 11:42 PM
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My experience agrees with S.M. Haley's

I also think that if you get it cheap enough, getting a skilled tone regulator/rebuilder to install new hammers and go over the entire thing could make it a very useful instrument.

I would not use Imadagawa hammers. I don't think they would work any differently than the factory originals. Go with a softer, lighter hammer.

Most importantly you need to know a skilled technician to embark on a project like this. Audition prospective tech's work to learn what they offer.


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2426764
05/29/15 11:26 PM
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Ed,

Thank you for your reply. I always enjoy reading your posts and certainly value your insight. What would you recommend hammer wise? Can you ballpark how much it would cost to get a skilled tone regulator/rebuilder to install new hammers and go over the entire thing? Approximately how much would you charge parts and labor to do such a thing if this piano arrived in your shop?

I live about 90 minutes south of this piano in Huntsville, AL. I don't believe there is anybody here for that kind of work. Of course I could just move this piano over to somebody in Nashville, where this piano is, to do the work before it would come to me. I have to believe that somebody in the Music City would have the necessary skills to do this work. Thanks again for your expertise.

Jason


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: ThePawn] #2426819
05/30/15 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePawn

I live about 90 minutes south of this piano in Huntsville, AL. I don't believe there is anybody here for that kind of work. Of course I could just move this piano over to somebody in Nashville, where this piano is, to do the work before it would come to me.


Jason,

I don't know of anybody in Huntsville, but I have known Ed Foote in Nashville since the mid-1990s and he is a tremendous technician. If he is not able to help I have also met Steve Kelly in Nashville.

Ed Foote is a member here on PW as well.

We recently did hammers, shanks, and flanges on a Samick SG 172 for a client. Different design but much the same in the challenges it presented. (Frankly, we encouraged trading the piano, but sometimes people just love what they have.)

I would feel uncomfortable quoting a price to you because labor is a big part of the cost on any piano repair. Labor charges differ from region to region and from technician to technician. Further, there are usually other things that go along with a repair like this - seeing the piano is a must to be accurate in exactly what work is needed.

Good luck in your search,


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Re: Kohler and Campbell SKG-600s opinions please [Re: Rich Galassini] #2426993
05/30/15 05:26 PM
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Thanks for the reply Rich. I have always enjoyed your thoughtful posts and insight. I have read many of Ed Foote's postings and that is a tremendous suggestion. I hope to visit your place in Philly someday. I would honestly love to have something like the Cunningham Parlour grand. It is truly a beautiful sounding piano from the video clips I have saw of it.

By the way, I really love the Piano Tastings videos that you and Hugh have done. They are awesome! The interview with Eleanor Sokoloff was priceless. I would like to see a video comparing the Cunningham concert grand to maybe a Steinway D and/or a Bosendorfer Imperial. Perhaps a future episode wink


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