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Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? #2425221 05/26/15 08:30 PM
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While I plan on studying and practicing on an upright, I would love to use an 88 key midi keyboard interface when I mess around in Reaper (my favorite DAW).

I know that you get what you pay for, but is there anything out there for about $300 that doesn't completely suck? I know a good key feel and nice features such as after-touch are not a reality at low prices, but something playable would be nice.

Perhaps a 72 or 61 key is more appropriate. All I know is that I am unhappy with the 49 key interface I have. Too much octave switching.

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Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: Schick] #2425224 05/26/15 08:37 PM
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You don't have to go too much further up from $300 to get something proper. Yamaha P45 is $449. Wait another month or two and save a few more dollars for a decent action. Or, if you move quick, pick up a B-Stock P35 for $369.99. Apparently 11 sold, and 3 left.

Not only are they decent digital pianos, but they have USB connectivity to computer to use as a controller to boot. Enjoy!


Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2425232 05/26/15 09:02 PM
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Tempting. I wish duty fees and brokerage weren't so damn high from the US to up here.

Looks like a nice unit. hard to dismiss a Yamaha.


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Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: Schick] #2425234 05/26/15 09:06 PM
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Guitar Center has the Casio CDP-130 for $299.99. It's probably comparable to the P35 and may be a viable option as well.


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Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: fizikisto] #2425239 05/26/15 09:18 PM
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Costco Canada sometimes has good deals on low end Casio digital pianos. Also check the used market, refurbished units, demo units. If you are near a big city, some of the bigger stores may sell used equipment on consignment.

Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: Schick] #2425249 05/26/15 10:24 PM
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You can get a new M audio keystation 88 for U$S200, and maybe the older version M audio keystation 88ES for less.

I would not recommend this controller if you plan to use it to practice piano, it has "semi weighted" action (springs), i think you would be better off with a low end digital piano to use as a controller.

Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: NighhhT] #2425255 05/26/15 10:45 PM
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A low end digital piano sounds tempting. I never even considered them for MIDI, as I didn't realize there was a MIDI option. I just checked my kids casio and it has a USB midi out. That said, he won't be giving that up. :-)

I looked at a few casio digital pianos such as the CDP230 and noted they are "General MIDI level 1 compatible". Forgive me, but I am unsure of terms and specifications, and do not know if this means I can use it with Reaper or a similar DAW. That would be cool if it did.


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Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: Schick] #2425269 05/27/15 12:10 AM
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Yes, the CDP-230 has the ability to do midi over usb. You can connect a usb cable directly from the piano to your computer to drive your DAW. If you want to record your actual piano (audio not midi) you might need some kind of audio interface with the computer. But if you're simply using it to drive the DAW (i.e. the software is making the piano sounds (and/or other sounds)) then it should be pretty straight forward.

MIDI is a standard that lets digital instruments and computers "talk" to each other. You'll see two kinds of connections: The older style DIN ports (kind roundish) which are generally used to connect instruments together (for example two keyboards connected together letting you trigger sounds from the second keyboard using the keys of the first keyboard) and the newer USB ports which are generally used to connect instruments to a computer.

Also note that if you're using a DAW, it is possible to get virtual software piano "plugins" for the software that will sound vastly better than the sounds on the low end casio (not that those are horrible, just that much better sounds will be available).

And probably worth noting that all this does have a bit of a learning curve to it. But in principle it's very doable.

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Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: Schick] #2425326 05/27/15 04:16 AM
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I was gonna suggest the Studiologic SL-990 but it appears not to be as cheap overseas as it is here (€345).


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Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: fizikisto] #2425475 05/27/15 11:17 AM
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Yes, the CDP-230 has the ability to do midi over usb. You can connect a usb cable directly from the piano to your computer to drive your DAW. If you want to record your actual piano (audio not midi) you might need some kind of audio interface with the computer. But if you're simply using it to drive the DAW (i.e. the software is making the piano sounds (and/or other sounds)) then it should be pretty straight forward.

MIDI is a standard that lets digital instruments and computers "talk" to each other. You'll see two kinds of connections: The older style DIN ports (kind roundish) which are generally used to connect instruments together (for example two keyboards connected together letting you trigger sounds from the second keyboard using the keys of the first keyboard) and the newer USB ports which are generally used to connect instruments to a computer.

Also note that if you're using a DAW, it is possible to get virtual software piano "plugins" for the software that will sound vastly better than the sounds on the low end casio (not that those are horrible, just that much better sounds will be available).

And probably worth noting that all this does have a bit of a learning curve to it. But in principle it's very doable.

Warm Regards


Thanks. It seems the the CDP230 has 48 polyphony, so I may look around a bit, so I may keep looking. I stack numerous events in my midi editor so perhaps 64 or even 128 might be best. Sadly, I imagine the price will inflate as I continue to look.


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Re: Is an Inexpensive, Half-A@@ed 88 Key keyboard Midi a Dream? [Re: Schick] #2425558 05/27/15 01:21 PM
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Yes, but that 48 note polyphony is a limitation of the internal sound generator of the piano itself. It won't affect the polyphony of any virtual pianos (or other instruments( that you might be using from within your DAW (which will be limited but the software in question, but mainly limited by the memory and processing speed of your computer). Of course, really good plugins for your DAW can get expensive as well. It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid. The Casio Privia PX-150 (or the soon to be released PX-160) will at least have more reasonable polyphony (and better sounds and a much better keyboard action), but as you note, it's more expensive.

Good Luck with your search!


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