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#2418973 05/10/15 01:37 PM
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Hi...

I am currently a novice pianist and is learning to play some pieces that I deem qualified for my skills.. In my practice sessions, I find one thing that always hinder me into finishing that certain piece.

And that is, being bored of the piece (even if that piece is my favorite).

When learning the piece, it is necessary to repeat certain parts over and over until you master it right? this seems to be the problem because repeating the same melody over and over, I end up being tired of listening to that piece and being bored.

Question is,

How do you beat this boredom when playing a piece (esp. a difficult piece) when you have to repeat the piece over and over to create mastery?

And if possible, could you share me some thought regarding the correct practice methods or practice structure?

Thank you Senseis

Sincerely, a noob.


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Freepoul :

Welcome to Piano World.

You should post your question either in the Pianist Corner or in the Adult Beginners Forum. This forum is primarily concerned with the design, manufacture, and marketing of pianos.

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Welcome to Piano World. First off, this subforum is mainly to talk about pianos themselves. "Do you think my blown-out spinet from the 60s is worth something?" and all that. There is a dedicated subforum, the Pianists Forum, where you might get more focused replies.

From my own experience, I have found that intentionally trying to play the passage differently at times helps add variety and new dimension to the challenge of mastering it. It's often easy to get stuck in a rut, simultaneously playing the same piece all the time even if you're sick of it. If you add new twists to HOW you play, it will provide better mental contexts for the notes themselves. Hope this helps!


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Try and choose works that you love so much that your patience is less likely to wear out. Some pieces may have a great immediate appeal but the appeal wears thin. If possible choose pieces you like that are also generally considered very great works.

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If you have how you want a passage to sound in your head, listening to whether what your fingers produce matches that, and figuring out what to do to make it happen, becomes more interesting.

Conceptualize. Listen. Diagnose. Fix. (Play is in there somewhere. 😀)

Working too long on one piece, or not enough different pieces at the same time, can be tedious. In other words, shorter practice on a greater variety of pieces can be more interesting and effective.

You might like learning improvisation.

If you are working with a teacher, don't let us step on your teacher's toes, however.

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Hi FreepouL,

I think it is an unfortunate reality that piano practice is work, and what I mean by that is the rewards are delayed. What one can do though is look at what makes normal jobs bearable, as in having a nice work environment and the right tools [the more satisfying one's piano is, perhaps the better - but not necessarily], and regular breaks.

What eventually happens is that one psychologically adjusts and comes to like the work involved. It needs time, though, and one builds gradually.

And eventually it becomes more than even that, depending on the music one is working on and how much one cares for it. Just like an archaeologist handling an ancient Greek amphora, one starts to feel a bit intrinsically unworthy to do such a thing - and then one becomes spiritually handled by the Amphora, or the great music, and that is where the real joy begins. And this psychological transformation can happen at any skill level - it is accessible to you, me, and anyone else, and not only to the truly great pianists.

That last paragraph is just a personal insight about where the road leads. First one needs to make the work bearable and grow to like it, and as with many things the hardest stage can be the first one. It can happen that just motivating oneself to sit down and practice is the hardest thing in the world, but one has to push through this and accumulate psychological stamina when afterwards one is glad for having done it. Decide to just practice for five minutes, and at the end decide you'll do it just five minutes more before stopping, et c. And before long all of those minutes add up.

I know, it is easier said than done.

I hope this helps!

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That is a terrific post Michael.


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Originally Posted by Keith D Kerman
That is a terrific post Michael.

Thanks Keith!

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If you are bored, it means you are not improving. Focus on improving and you will not be bored.


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Some great advice already - like yours particularly, Michael.

Maybe it could be that what you're learning is more difficult than your playing standard? Yes, I do that all the time - hear something and decide that I NEED to learn it - then realise that it's beyond my current standard. I'd have been better to keep on with the pieces which I've got half-learned already.

You might want to look at shorter pieces or maybe pieces which are less difficult - and allow your standard to gradually improve.

There are a number of discussions (primarily on the Pianist Forum) like this one which may help:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...atively%20easy%20but%20great%20pian.html


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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
Some great advice already - like yours particularly, Michael.

Maybe it could be that what you're learning is more difficult than your playing standard? Yes, I do that all the time - hear something and decide that I NEED to learn it - then realise that it's beyond my current standard. I'd have been better to keep on with the pieces which I've got half-learned already.

You might want to look at shorter pieces or maybe pieces which are less difficult - and allow your standard to gradually improve.

There are a number of discussions (primarily on the Pianist Forum) like this one which may help:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...atively%20easy%20but%20great%20pian.html


Very much this!

The major reason for getting bored is that the piece is too far beyond your current level of ability, so you end up overpracticing it just to be able to play it. You would be much better served by getting some pieces that are easier, but contain the techniques and skills you need to play these more difficult pieces. Then, when you have gained more skill, you can tackle those pieces with more focus on the musical aspects rather than the technical aspects.

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Originally Posted by Keith D Kerman
That is a terrific post Michael.


Indeed!


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That is a terrific post Michael.


Indeed!

Thanks again! grin

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Wow Michael,

That's a great post. I filed that one away for future use.

Well done............blob



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Oh I'm really sorry for posting this on the wrong thread. I just started in this forum.. Thank you for all the help!


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Originally Posted by FreepouL
Oh I'm really sorry for posting this on the wrong thread. I just started in this forum.. Thank you for all the help!


No need to apologise.


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Wow Michael,

That's a great post. I filed that one away for future use.

Well done............blob

Thanks everyone!

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Originally Posted by FreepouL
When learning the piece, it is necessary to repeat certain parts over and over until you master it right? this seems to be the problem because repeating the same melody over and over, I end up being tired of listening to that piece and being bored.


This may seem counterintuitive: The way to not get bored with the melody is to practice in smaller sections, phrases or even half phrases, so that you're drilling in on parts of the melody, not the whole thing. It will be even more boring, but you won't be bored with the melody itself, just with tiny pieces of it. Then when you run the whole thing, the actual melody is less stale to you.



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