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Re: DAWs
bill5 #2410404 04/14/15 09:29 PM
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PS: side note: do you call it "daw" or "dee-ay-double-u?" smile

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Some experts.

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Anyway here's a really nice recap of DAWs:

http://www.thedawstudio.com/Gear/DAW-Comparison-Chart.html

PS: notice that Audacity is there. smile

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Seeing the direction this thread is taking, something like a Yamaha MX49 (previously suggested) might be a good bet as a combination workstation / controller. It's more expensive than a Casio WK-7600, but I haven't heard anyone call it a "toy".

Check the blurb here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/yamaha-mx49-49-key-music-synthesizer-controller

and the review here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct13/articles/yamaha-mx49.htm

It comes with a "low-end" version of Cubase, and it's apparently designed around having what you need to integrate nicely with Cubase.

Since I understand only about half the words in the Sound On Sound review, I will now bow out of the discussion.

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Seeing the direction this thread is taking, something like a Yamaha MX49 (previously suggested) might be a good bet as a combination workstation / controller. It's more expensive than a Casio WK-7600, but I haven't heard anyone call it a "toy".

Check the blurb here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/yamaha-mx49-49-key-music-synthesizer-controller

and the review here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct13/articles/yamaha-mx49.htm

It comes with a "low-end" version of Cubase, and it's apparently designed around having what you need to integrate nicely with Cubase.

Since I understand only about half the words in the Sound On Sound review, I will now bow out of the discussion.

. Charles

PS -- the MX49, used, is around $350 at GuitarCenter. I've bought used gear from them, and they're pretty good about reporting condition. They have reasonably-priced shipping, store-to-store or store-to-home. But don't let me shorten the decision time . . .


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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen

It comes with a "low-end" version of Cubase, and it's apparently designed around having what you need to integrate nicely with Cubase.




Bit of a shame they overlooked transport control buttons. That is a bare minimum for a DAW controller.

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It comes with a "low-end" version of Cubase, and it's apparently designed around having what you need to integrate nicely with Cubase.




Bit of a shame they overlooked transport control buttons. That is a bare minimum for a DAW controller.


From a review in Keyboard magazine,

http://www.keyboardmag.com/combo---do-all/1191/yamaha-mx61-studio-and-performance-synthesizer/29192

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With one button press, the MX turns into a surprisingly capable DAW control surface. Yamaha offers templates for Cubase, Logic, Sonar, and Digital Performer. (The MX comes with Steinberg Cubase AI.) Dedicated functions are shown right on the panel below the category buttons, and you can also retask six buttons to your liking. Everything works much like on the Motif XS or XF; the only real limitation you feel is that the MX has fewer physical controls. I tried laying down some tunes in Cubase, and it was easy for me to record while away from the computer, controlling the transport and other vital functions right from the MX.


There may be some trickery involved, but that _sounds like_ there's transport control from the MXnn. I'm sorry if I got it wrong.

. Charles

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Most of these are more than I care to spend. I was all set to zoom in on Reaper, but they say there's a steeper learning curve, which is precisely what I don't want...FL Studio for that same reason is the leader. But that's getting ahead of myself, DP first......

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Bill,
I think someone else mentioned Mixcraft in a post? I will second that recommendation for a "DAW".

I am going to recommend the Pro version as it comes with Pianissimo VSTi. Uses high quality Steinwayâ„¢ Model D piano samples with advanced physical modeling. I think the trial version includes Pianissimo? I have used Mixcraft for several years now and love it.

Mixcraft is easy to learn with a much more friendly GUI and less of a learning curve.

On a MIDI controller...I had a M-Audio Keystation 88ES. Notice the past tense? It was an OK keyboard but the action was just semi-weighted spring action and nothing like a piano. If I wanted to play I had to open up Mixcraft launch a new project, load a VSTi and then I would have some sound. If you don't care about the key action this keyboard is not the worst choice with a full 88 keys and mod wheels.

I sold it and got a Yamaha P-105. Very nice set of keys! Very authentic graded hammer action, built in sounds/speakers. Turn it on and play! It also has a USB to host connection so I can use it as a MIDI controller so no loss.

Do you have a retail spot nearby where you try out some keyboards? Note that most all DAWs have a trial you can download. Test drive of sorts. I tried about 6-7 keyboards/DP's before landing on the Yamaha. I also have probably tried most DAWs at least once.


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Thanks very much for the reply. Mixcraft is relatively inexpensive as DAWs go too ($90ish).

Has anyone else used this?

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PS and WTF? FL Studio basic edition does not include audio recording capabilities. Isn't that kind of like buying a car but the windshield costs extra?

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Not if you are into EDM. No need to record much just MIDI and plugins...lol. Oh and some side chaining...


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English please. EDM? Side chaining?

It looks like you can't record at all w/that basic version.

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My apologies.

Electronic Dance Music or EDM in some cases is produced primarily "in the box". This means entire albums are produced using just MIDI programmed tracks driving virtual instruments and/or loops on the computer.

Side chaining is a volume reduction effect commonly used in EDM. The kick drum signal is used to reduce the volume of other tracks to produce that pumping effect you hear in dance music.

I agree about FL studio. Not a fan. No recording capabilities on the fruity edition.



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Most of these are more than I care to spend. I was all set to zoom in on Reaper, but they say there's a steeper learning curve, which is precisely what I don't want...FL Studio for that same reason is the leader. But that's getting ahead of myself, DP first......

Bill5,

Generally speaking, ALL DAWs have a steep learning curve. Different DAWs have different strengths, which is "best" depends on what you're trying to do. For example, I find that I'm liking FLStudio better now because it seems to fit my evolving interests. (FYI, FLS V12 is much nicer than V11.x.)

Regarding Mixcraft, I tried a demo version but ultimately decided not to change from Reaper (which I still use). It seemed easier to use than Reaper, but I found some limitations (which I can't remember now). YMMV.

Regarding a "DP", the choices are huge. However, given my understanding of your needs, a better choice MIGHT be a MIDI keyboard controller. Some DPs like the Kawai MP11 (with a very good keyboard) have some MIDI controls and audio out that could work with DAW software. That said, true MIDI keyboard controllers have lots of controls for mixing and controlling a DAW. However, most of them have a mediocre, unweighted or semi-weighted keyboard.

For example, a highly rated controller is the Akai MPK 249 (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MPK249). I thought it might meet my needs. That is, until I had a chance to play it. The semi-weighted white keys were OK. The black keys were very poor.

If you want a DP with good key action for playing, you might want to start with that and go from there. But with the understanding that it may not be your final DAW workstation keyboard.

Good luck with your decision.

Regards,

Dan.

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Ya. Wrong thread.

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ElmerJFudd, Was that reply somehow meant for the other thread CUBASE thread. ?

Anyway what I do know very little, Cubase will not go further than the launch screen if not activated once you have gone beyond the grace period, when you encounter that situation it tells you to register and buy at that point, it will not open at all, at least that is what I discovered when using LE and was able to use elements as well during the grace period, to which I have upgraded since.

While within the grace period everything is fully functional with or without activation, that is 30 days IIRC. After that it is register or nada, no pay, no play laugh

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