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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2402714
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Got mine today and...It is QUATUUM LEAP !!! HURRAY !!

I did not expect the difference so HUGHY !!! This PIANO is really QUATUUM LEAP for me...it is singing and resonating I really CRIED when I first played "SAD PIANO"

All this BEAUTIFUL SAMPLES !! WOOOOOT!!! THANKS KAWAI...

A MUST HAVE FOR ALL PIANO PLAYERS. The Keyboard I really like MOST > The Feedback and the touch now is REALLY very very very very close to the Grands I have tested.

One LITTLE thing (see below)I found out. The new balck keys are GREAT but there seems to be problem with the IVORY coating. It was splittered on 6 keys a bit. But I am quite sure KAWAI makes it good again :-) :-) :-).

The new Headphone amplifier is a MASTERPIECE > FINALLY this wounderful Instrument sounds so GREAT also with headphones > Wide an spacy !!!

Thanks KAWAI for this GREAT INSTRUMENT:

ありがとう!
Arigatou!

Alexander


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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Galuwen] #2402754
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The MP7 & MP11 owners want to have this quantum leap too!

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Galuwen] #2402976
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Hello Alexander, congratulations on your new piano!

I get the impression that you're happy with the instrument, which is surely a good thing. wink

The imperfection on the white key surface that you pictured is unfortunate. Please contact your dealer for advice on having this point corrected.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2404742
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Hi, would appreciate your opinions as I am a total beginner wanting to make a start with digital piano.

I checked out a local shop and they were happy to sell CA95 at CA67's price around USD 2,600. I am open to both options (haven't yet tried CA 67 - another a couple of months before it becomes available in Australia according to shop assistant) Would you guys recommend CA 95 over CA67? Or should I wait for CA67 given there is no price difference? Obviously they weren't willing to discount CA 97 so it was out of my budget. Based on the review I read on this forum though, it seems like it is the piano to get if you can afford it.

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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2404743
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Hello Scott, welcome to the forum.

Hmmm, that's a tricky one.

The CA95's main strength over the CA65 is the soundboard speaker system and single piece cabinet construction. The resulting sound quality (through the speakers) of the CA95 is undoubtedly superior to the CA65.

That being said, the CA67's new 6 speaker speaker system is a considerable improvement over the CA65, although not to the level of the CA95/CA97.

Speaker systems aside, the CA67 also features a newer keyboard action, new SK-EX and SK-5 piano samples, and a number of additional functions not found on the CA65. It's a case of whether you believe these new features to be more important than the CA95's soundboard.

The new CA instruments were announced by Kawai Australia just a couple of weeks ago, so it may take a little while before these pianos are available at dealers' stores. If you're not in a great hurry to buy, perhaps you can wait until the latest models are available for play-testing...although I suspect the good deal you're being offered on the CA95 may no longer be available by this time.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Kawai James] #2404750
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Thank you very much for your detailed reply, James.

As a beginner, I doubt my abilities to tell much difference between the two models (67 and 95) and thus taking an easy option of asking opinion of experienced players such as yourself. I probably wouldn't appreciate additional functions as a beginner. The reason I narrowed down my purchasing choice to the two Kawai models is because of the realistic key action as a learning tool. When I have compared the two Kawai models to Roland (HP506 and 508) and I definitely liked the keys on Kawai better.

It is tough one as I can't immediately test CA 67. I am leaning towards CA 95 at the moment but will sleep over it and decide.

Kind regards,
Scott

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2409443
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I received my Kawai CA 97 a few days ago. I have been for the lookout for something new the last six month so I had plenty of time to try out different models. My goal was to find an electric piano that had
- headphone amplification to be adaptable to my headphone and give a realistic sound.
- possibility to hang the headphones when not in use
- excellent keyboard, similar to a piano
- solid, quality build
- possible with 4 sheets of music
- a realistic sound when played without headphones
- 70 or more sound samples (of which I liked at least 2 pianos and 10 other sounds)
- not too tall
- had a price tag of no more than 4000 - 5000 euros
- Anticipated service - as little as possible
- Esthetics: no gold thanks

I previously had a Roland, so I was eager to try these out, but I did not like the sound samples that much compared to Kawai and Yamaha. But I did like the action better than on the Yamahas. The Yamaha CLP 585 was a nice experience with nice quality feeling, but I far preferred the Kawai action, in particular that of the Kawai CA 97. The black keys in particular I think was improved from previous models and that of for instance Kawai CS 10, CA 65/95 models. I also liked the new sound samples that came with the Kawai CA 97, and I think the default piano sound is the right one for me. I tried out the real counterparts as they happened to have 2 Shigeru Kawai in the store. The closest to the the SK5 sample was an SK3 (188 cm) which gives a very interesting sound, but it takes a bit of getting used to , but once you do - very nice.

OK - so here the piano is in my flat:

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I liked the modest, more modern look of the CA 97, here with the new Silver logo. Also the action is superior to any other sub-5000 Euro models I have tried. I felt at home straight away.

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It is worth to put the correct headphone settings. It makes for an enjoyable sound.

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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Skjalg] #2409481
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Originally Posted by Skjalg
I received my Kawai CA 97 a few days ago.


Hej Skjalg,
Congratulations for your new DP. Thanks for nice photos and sharing information on the comparison of CA97's SK5 sound and a "real" SK. Enjoy your new piano!

Cheers
Semih

P.S. If you wish, please put the purchase information in "DIGITAL PIANO -PRICES PAID" post http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1201029/DIGITAL_PIANO_%22PRICES_PAI.html#Post1201029

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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2409508
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Thanks Semih.
I added purchase information and continue to explore the features of my new digital piano.
Skjalg

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2409541
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Congratulations skjalg,

Is the space between black keys enough or got smaller since the size of the black keys got wider? .

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Skjalg] #2409555
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Originally Posted by Skjalg

- Esthetics: no gold thanks


LOOOOL
For me, no gold in that piano is realy big big minus. One, it's completely not traditional, second it will completely not fit to my room, THIRD - PIANOS ARE BLACK AND GOLD. PERIOD (to the last one only) grin
Besides, gold is giving calm and warmth, which silver is not wink

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: LarryMan] #2409579
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LarryMan, I got CA67 which is the same keys as CA97, and the size is just fine, you wouldn't notice it if someone didn't tell you, actually, I think because of the new shape of the black keys, my finger reach the white keys easier.

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Skjalg] #2409609
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Skjalg, thank you for your post, and explaining your motivation behind purchasing the CA97.
Congratulations on living on a very cool apartment too, by the way. wink

If you have not done so already, please be sure to upgrade to the latest CA97 firmware, available from the link below:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/

It's very interesting to read your experience comparing the CA97's SK-5 sample to the 'real' SK-3. I also played an SK grand recently, and was surprised at how similar the CA97's sample sounded. wink

Kind regards,
James
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ps. Is that a headphone converter plug on top of your CA97 in the first picture?


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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2409698
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Thanks for all your kind words!

Originally Posted by kapelli
Originally Posted by Skjalg

- Esthetics: no gold thanks



He, he. I fully understand the motivation behind gold. Tradition, warmth. However, a digital piano is not traditional in my book, it is functional. To me a function of space limitations, privacy needs and enjoyment of exploring sounds. "Gold" usually translates to brass, and really does not keep that well. I guess most people prefer the gold, because it is hard to find anything else. Lucky for me, Kawai managed to think outside the box for which I am grateful. For those interested in something that looks like everything else, i.e. gold and black, I guess CS 10 or its successor (I assume it will happen one day) would be a better choice. For me the CA 97 is discrete and does not overstate its abilities with "Emperor's New Clothes".

Originally Posted by LarryMan

Is the space between black keys enough


The space is just fine. I find it easier to play the CA 97 than the predecessors. If you are *very* picky there are some imperfections just between the white and black keys due to the manufacturing process and wood used I guess, but I have inspected every key with a magnifying glass, and found no problem with the white coating.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James

please be sure to upgrade to the latest CA97 firmware,

I will, thanks, but most likely not until the weekend. I have a few other things I want to explore first.

Originally Posted by Kawai James

Is that a headphone converter plug on top of your CA97 in the first picture?


It is indeed. I wanted to try with and without, but found it more convenient without. Due to to angle of the plug as well as the height of the keyboard from the floor, there is no danger of destroying it as I read was one concern some people had.

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Skjalg] #2410694
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I have a Kawai CA67 and have tried CA15 in shop and have found following:
1. I like ebony imitation keys on my CA67 more than plastic keys on CA15.
2. I have got disappointed by quality of fitting ebony imitation top to wooden key base on CA67. When you put your finger between 2 black keys, it can get scratched from black keys sides. Cca 20 % black keys suffers from this issue. However, I think I have improved some of them by rubbing concerned parts even with my nails. (It should have been done in factory!)
There was no such issue on CA15 - sides of black keys were perfectly smooth.

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2411471
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Skjalg, hvad var prisen i NKr?

Klaus i DK

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Originally Posted by imperialbari
Skjalg, hvad var prisen i NKr?


It was 28000 NOK tax included as stated by Skjalg Here

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Thanks! Didn't know about that thread.

A month ago I was told the same price, but in DKr. After the CA-97 arrived in the store the announced price now is 24800DKr. No stool, but as I understand it, the delivery is free, which is of value for me, as I live 110km from the store.

Klaus

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Hi everyone!

I've bought a CA-97 right when it came out. I think it was from the very first batch of CA-97 here in Italy :-)

I had previously tried a CA-95 in the shop and it sounded great, but overall I preferred some of the Yamaha samplings. I thought Yamaha had the best sounds, while Kawai had the best Actions. However, the new samples of the CA-97 are huge step forward in my opinion.
To my ears, the new Kawai sounds about as good as a Yamaha AvantGrand for less than half the price!
Maybe it's just me, and other people's taste may be quite different, but to me it sounds and feel pretty much like a real acoustic Grand Piano, I'm totally happy with it smile
The new action has also some subtle improvements over the previous one (which was great already).

Don't know if the difference between the CA-67 and the 97 is really worth the extra price, but since it as a long term investment for me, I just wanted to get the best piano I could afford and stick with it for long time. Sure, the CA-97 sounds a bit better, but if you are like me in a small flat, you are never going to push the limit of the speaker system.
In fact I always tend to play at low-moderate volume, so the extra power and clarity over the CA-67 is less remarkable.

Overall, if you can afford it, get the 97, but the 67 is just as good for the average use smile

Thanks Kawai!

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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2412969
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TheKaneB, welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your new piano!

It's always interesting to hear real-world accounts from customers who have tested a variety of different instruments. I'm obviously delighted to read that you appreciate the sound and action improvements on the latest Concert Artist models - thank you for the positive feedback.

Kind regards,
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