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#240807 - 07/01/08 01:04 PM Irmler?  
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Hi! I searched the archives but found little info on Irmler. We're shopping for a smaller grand and are considering an Irmler F16E (built in Poland of Euro parts, finished/checked in Liepzig) that a dealer has from last year (couple inches larger than the current F16E).

Initially I set out to try the RX2/3 but a dealer showed me the Irmler, and it sounded nicer to my ear. (No offense to RX folks!) I tried other pianos in that range at other stores: There was an Estonia I liked (I found these to vary hugely from one piano to the next), as well as an M&H B baby grand. I somewhat prefer the European sound but felt the Bohemia I tried had too much sustain and got muddy. The room acoustics at the different dealers were all very different, so I'm finding it very hard to compare.

I got to play several pianos well out of our price range: I was especially amazed with the Grotrian (this piano somehow made my kid sound great!), an August Forster, a Sauter, and a gorgeous restored Bosie from the late 19th century.

Anyway, I'd love to get feedback from you all about what you think about Irmler compared to the other Tier 2 brands. What would be a great price? (The piano has been played but comes with warranty.) Or is the M&H baby grand, at slightly more $, a better choice if we need to sell down the road?

Background: I took about 7 years of piano as a child and am just picking it back up. My son is 7 and seems to have much more natural ability than I ever did (i.e., all thumbs).

Thanks!

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#240808 - 07/01/08 04:46 PM Re: Irmler?  
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Welcome to PW, Hedwig. It sounds like you are having a good time shopping for a piano. It also sounds like you have already learned a great deal and I'm guessing that you are shopping in NYC, Right? I have not played an Irmler and few people have. So our opinions are not very good. Irmlers, Petrofs and Bohemias and Estonias are considered to be very good buys for the money. Charles Walters and M&H are also. So you really have to play them and visit dealers until you can make up your own mind. The Charles Walters 175 might be the best piano for you.


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#240809 - 07/01/08 04:54 PM Re: Irmler?  
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Hi Hedwig,

The Irmler F16E you have mentioned is a very beautiful instrument, certainly worthy of tier 2 comparisons. I find it to have a lyrical singing quality and a very refined tenor.

Of course as my signature would indicate I am not offering a completely unbiased opinion, I am very proud of this particular model and have recommended it frequently with great results.

I have also tuned and serviced many F16E instruments in the home. These Irmler grands are very stable and really blossom under regular play, good luck in your search.




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#240810 - 07/01/08 06:24 PM Re: Irmler?  
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Originally posted by Jordang:
[The Charles Walters 175 might be the best piano for you. [/QB]
Hi, Jordang! I enjoyed reading your piano quest. What is it about the Walters 175 that you like? Thanks!

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#240811 - 07/01/08 07:41 PM Re: Irmler?  
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Thank you very much. We played on two Walters 190s. The 175 is newer and we had Del Fandrich, the designer of the pianos, describing the new 175 here on PW last summer. It "sounded" like the 175 might sound better than the 190 and it is less expensive. The truth seemed to be that Walters are designed to have a more pure European sound with the primary pitch being more pronounced. Common American brands are designed to have more complex, and muddied base notes. The Feurich which we like best is a more middle of the road mix of the two design ideas. Some other German brands like Schimmel and Seiler have recently moved to the middle of the road with duplex scaling and new string and soundboard scales, and new more complex tone sounds.

I understand, but only from reading and talking to people, that Bluthner has the Haessler and Irmler brands which have more middle of the road design ideas and the Bluthner with the more traditional European sound.


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#240812 - 07/02/08 12:38 AM Re: Irmler?  
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I recently had a chance to service a new 7'6" Irmler - regarding the tone this was an exceptional piano. They are well made.
There was a smaller one in the store and the construction was very much the same. For the price I think they are a great value.


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#240813 - 07/18/08 01:12 AM Re: Irmler?  
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I just wanted to come back and say thanks to everyone who replied to my query. We did end up buying the Irmler grand and are very pleased with it so far. It sounds so... grand.

Our piano teacher came over today and just fell in love with it. (High praise, as one of her other students has a Bosendorfer.) She admitted she was initially concerned about the European-style sound being too blended (I forgot the word she used) and was delighted with the warmth and clarity. She played a few amazing songs that truly brought the piano to life - I wish it sounded like that for me! ;-)

We live in the SF Bay Area and purchased the piano from R. Kassman in Berkeley, whom Cat and someone else recommended in a separate thread. (Mr. Kassman was great to work with and very kind to my two children both times we visited.)

Strangely the latest Piano Book supplement says that Bluthner has discontinued the Irmler line; that doesn't seem to be the case, as I saw a few newer Irmler models at the piano store.

#240814 - 07/19/08 01:20 AM Re: Irmler?  
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Congratulations, Hedwig, on your new grand! I also recently purchased an Irmler (an upright in my case) from R. Kassman's and am also very happy with it. It's sweet, resonant, singing tone appeals to me more than any other upright piano I've played. The new Irmler uprights include a 52" now (the model I bought) which wasn't the case, I believe, a year ago.

I initially had some trepidation when I saw that the new Piano Book supplement had no Irmler info in it. (I had come to rely on The Piano Book as a framework for comparing brands and determining value). I emailed Mr. Fine and he wrote back saying that at the time they were writing the new supplement Bluthner was undecided about the future direction of Irmler, and was told to say that they'd been temporarily discontinued. Apparently Bluthner changed it's mind or decided on a direction soon after, which is why there's essentially no Irmler information in the supplement. R. Kassman has told me that L. Fine will, at some point, post information about the current Irmlers on his website. I'm hoping he does. I think the Irmlers - especially for those who find their tone appealing - are one of those very good tier 2 values L. Fine talks about.

Enjoy....!

#240815 - 07/19/08 05:57 PM Re: Irmler?  
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Hedwig and Mo,

Congratulations on your new pianos.!

Not much information in this forum from Irmler owners, so your posts make for interesting reading.


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#240816 - 07/19/08 07:54 PM Re: Irmler?  
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I'll second Turandot's point. We haven't heard much about the brand, and I'm intrigued.

Why don't you post some pictures.

#240817 - 07/23/08 11:35 AM Re: Irmler?  
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Here are the pics of our new Irmler. (I still delight in how lyrical-sounding this piano is.)

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#240818 - 07/23/08 11:38 AM Re: Irmler?  
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(If anyone is wondering, the white things at the bottom of the piano legs are washcloths. I didn't think to buy caster cups, so for now they're protecting the floor.)

#240819 - 07/23/08 11:43 AM Re: Irmler?  
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If over time you think the piano sounds a little too bright and echoey in that corner you might consider putting an oval oriental rug underneath it to dampen the harsh edges on the tone (if you perceive any). Some spaces just need the softening.


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