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Re: Easy pieces in B major for begginers
Aceituna #2404837 03/31/15 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Aceituna
Minuet in G trasposed to B major:
https://musescore.com/user/131491/scores/753401

Please, any advice?

Stop obsessing about B major. Learn this in the original key first and then transpose it into every other one, studying the circle of fifths at the same time smile

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Re: Easy pieces in B major for begginers
Aceituna #2404843 03/31/15 09:40 AM
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I remember from Bernhard's post that B major scale is the easiest to play, that's why he teaches his students the B major scale first. It's definitely not the easiest to read. You'll be making things harder for yourself if you start learning pieces in B major or D flat major while you're not proficient with reading pieces with less sharps/flats. IMO.

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Originally Posted by Aceituna
Thank you very much to all.

Originally Posted by Medden
Just a suggestion, but why not find a piece at your desired skill level, in any key, and transpose it into B major?


Maybe this is the best solution.

Transposing won't be hard. Good fingering will be the more challanging part.
Don't pick hard pieces. The value is not in spending months learning these at this stage but in getting the key under youfingers.


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See if you can find Addinsell's "Warsaw Concerto", and look at rehearsal mark "K". The theme there is surprisingly comfortable to play because it's in B. Try to do as much finger legato as you can on it.



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Re: Easy pieces in B major for begginers
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung

See if you can find Addinsell's "Warsaw Concerto", and look at rehearsal mark "K". The theme there is surprisingly comfortable to play because it's in B. Try to do as much finger legato as you can on it.


I got it.
I don't find the "K" mark.
I'll try the passage in B.

Re: Easy pieces in B major for begginers
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Originally Posted by DragonPianoPlayer
The value is not in spending months learning these at this stage but in getting the key under youfingers.

I completely agree with you.
I'm trying to set the way to do things easier.
I would like to start working on scales.
At the moment the four pieces im working on are in keys:
D
D
A minor
C

It's better to start with minors after majors are mastered.
It's better to work with C at the end of majors.

Do I start with D scale till mastered?

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Originally Posted by Aceituna
Originally Posted by DragonPianoPlayer
The value is not in spending months learning these at this stage but in getting the key under youfingers.

I completely agree with you.
I'm trying to set the way to do things easier.
I would like to start working on scales.
At the moment the four pieces im working on are in keys:
D
D
A minor
C

It's better to start with minors after majors are mastered.
It's better to work with C at the end of majors.

Do I start with D scale till mastered?


There's really no one and only good way to do anything and that's why you will get different answers from different people.

I don't think you can "master" a scale by just playing it. If you want to start working on scales I would recommend adding some theory study to it. I really struggled with the scales in the beginning because I didn't want to get back into the theory after 30 years break and forgetting everything, I just wanted to play. But after I gave in and worked out the basic theory, scales became easier and they started making sense to me as a system. Also I don't need to try to memorize fingerings by drilling anymore because I figured out the "why" behind them and I can work it out myself anytime.

I recommend you try to take some time frequently to think why you are doing what you are doing and whether it is working in your favor. Try to evoke some curiosity towards things so that you naturally want to figure out more about the structures you encounter in music. Use scales and other exercises to expand your knowledge and skill in a way that help you manage and understand your music better. IMO This is the key to fast and deep learning, not following any ready made formula.

So if you play pieces D, C and a minor, do play and study the scales in those keys. But don't just try to play the scales as fast and clean as you can, but think about what is the difference between them, how are they built and why the fingerings are the way they are. Study a little theory (how to build a major/minor scale and the circle of fifths) and before you know you can build and play any scale you want. The speed and fluency of fingers will come easier when your mind knows what to do. I think this will benefit you much more in the future than just practicing moving your fingers faster on the keyboard.

Children often learn to do first and understand what and why they are doing much later, but for adults I don't think this is the most efficient way because our minds already work differently. We are usually not able to stop our minds from analyzing what we do all the time, so it's best to use it in our advantage.

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Aceituna, do you have a teacher?
What did bring you to this focus on B Major? It's a weird obsession to me..

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Originally Posted by wimpiano
Aceituna, do you have a teacher?
What did bring you to this focus on B Major? It's a weird obsession to me..


I stopped it. No worries. Im asking for advice.
I gonna start to work on D scale.

Re: Easy pieces in B major for begginers
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Originally Posted by outo

I recommend you try to take some time frequently to think why you are doing what you are doing and whether it is working in your favor. Try to evoke some curiosity towards things so that you naturally want to figure out more about the structures you encounter in music. Use scales and other exercises to expand your knowledge and skill in a way that help you manage and understand your music better. IMO This is the key to fast and deep learning, not following any ready made formula.

So if you play pieces D, C and a minor, do play and study the scales in those keys. But don't just try to play the scales as fast and clean as you can, but think about what is the difference between them, how are they built and why the fingerings are the way they are. Study a little theory (how to build a major/minor scale and the circle of fifths) and before you know you can build and play any scale you want. The speed and fluency of fingers will come easier when your mind knows what to do. I think this will benefit you much more in the future than just practicing moving your fingers faster on the keyboard.

Children often learn to do first and understand what and why they are doing much later, but for adults I don't think this is the most efficient way because our minds already work differently. We are usually not able to stop our minds from analyzing what we do all the time, so it's best to use it in our advantage.

I completely agree with you.
I'm studing theory.
This is the reason I want to work with scales related with the pieces I'm working on.
I think the best way for me at the moment is to start with D.
One of my goals is to play with my daughter (she plays the viola).
She is working on Suzuki method and the most of the piees are in D (as the accompaniments are).

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Originally Posted by Aceituna
Originally Posted by DragonPianoPlayer
The value is not in spending months learning these at this stage but in getting the key under youfingers.

I completely agree with you.
I'm trying to set the way to do things easier.
I would like to start working on scales.
At the moment the four pieces im working on are in keys:
D
D
A minor
C

It's better to start with minors after majors are mastered.
It's better to work with C at the end of majors.

Do I start with D scale till mastered?


You are still mixing up scales based on particular keys and pieces in those keys. The key of a piece defines a collection of notes with certain relationships between specific notes. A scale in that key is a technical exercise where that collection of notes is put in a row. The piece and the scale both use the same collection, but they are different animals.

B major, Gb major and Db major scales are technically the easiest scales to play, because only the thumb plays on white notes while the other fingers play black notes. This almost automatically gives you a good hand position and facilitates passing the thumb under the third or fourth finger.

Pieces are a different matter. Pieces in the keys mentioned are not necessarily easier than those in other keys. Unless the piece in question is full of scale passages, there is no particular technical benefit in practising the scale that corresponds to the key of the piece.

If you have never played scales, do start with either B major, Gb major or Db major: they favour a good hand position and the fingering is obvious. But don't bother about finding pieces in those keys.


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Originally Posted by Aceituna
Originally Posted by JohnSprung

See if you can find Addinsell's "Warsaw Concerto", and look at rehearsal mark "K". The theme there is surprisingly comfortable to play because it's in B. Try to do as much finger legato as you can on it.


I got it.
I don't find the "K" mark.
I'll try the passage in B.


I looked through the score, it's the first thing in B. How did you like it?

For fun you could transpose it to C, and see how much easier it is in B.



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