2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Who's Online Now
54 members (chopinetto, Boboulus, Carey, anotherscott, Charles Cohen, AWilley, Bruce In Philly, 16 invisible), 426 guests, and 473 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
#2404364 03/30/15 10:02 AM
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 3
N
Nitran Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
N
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 3
I have a dilemma. I want to buy a digital piano for my nine year daughter. After browsing the web finally I restricted myself to Roland RP401 and Kawai CN25. Both are very nice regarding to the value for the price. One day wins Roland and another Kawai... Please, can you give some arguments/opinions/feelings helping me to decide ?

(ad)
Sweetwater Sale
Sweetwater Sale
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2404367 03/30/15 10:06 AM
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 757
L
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 757
Why not let your daughter try them out?

To compare guaranty and repair conditions would also be a good indication of product quality.

Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2404379 03/30/15 10:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 919
H
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
H
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 919
I agree that a nine yo is probably able to formulate an opinion on which action and sound she likes better.

One thing that would be important to me: the Roland can record to USB-Stick. Its just WAV and not MP3, but that was a must-have for us.

If it were just these two, I'd be hard-pressed, because I like the Kawai sound and action a bit better than Roland, but I'd really like to have the USB recording for exchanging with friends and family.

Let your daughter decide, you can't go wrong and its probably good for motivation if she chooses.


Kawai CN35. Daughter wanted a piano, so we got one. Now who'll learn faster? ;-)
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2404735 03/31/15 03:26 AM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 246
J
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
J
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 246
@Nitran: nice alternatives... if I had a little more budget, I was thinking about these 2 as well...

I guess there will be some piano teacher helping your daughter? If you know the person, I would also suggest to ask the teacher as well. I would ask the teacher first, and then let the daughter comment...


Kawai KDP-90
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2404849 03/31/15 09:54 AM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 114
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 114
The CN25 also has a USB output for recording wav/mp3.

I believe the RP401 is an older model. It was the equivalent of the F120. If you like the look, you might consider the F130R instead, that is the newer model in a different case.

You would need to try the actions. ISTR people thinking the F120/RP401 action was not as good as the CN24 action last year, but the F130R has a newer action that is supposed to be an improvement. The CN25 has also had action improvements as well.

I really like the case design of the F120/F130 but the music desk is not great. Depending on your height it is not great on any of these anyway though as the music is held pretty low.

Last edited by Ben Boule; 03/31/15 09:55 AM.
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2404867 03/31/15 10:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 919
H
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
H
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 919
I am afraid the CN-25 only has USB-to-host, not USB-to-device, which you need to insert a USB Stick and save stuff to it. I just doublechecked with the Kawai website.


Kawai CN35. Daughter wanted a piano, so we got one. Now who'll learn faster? ;-)
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Ben Boule #2404892 03/31/15 10:58 AM
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,225
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,225
Originally Posted by Ben Boule
The CN25 also has a USB output for recording wav/mp3.

I believe the RP401 is an older model. It was the equivalent of the F120. If you like the look, you might consider the F130R instead, that is the newer model in a different case.

You would need to try the actions. ISTR people thinking the F120/RP401 action was not as good as the CN24 action last year, but the F130R has a newer action that is supposed to be an improvement. The CN25 has also had action improvements as well.

I really like the case design of the F120/F130 but the music desk is not great. Depending on your height it is not great on any of these anyway though as the music is held pretty low.


For clarity from a Roland Guy.

The RP401R and the F-130R are both the most recent models from that series.

The F-120 and RP301 were more closely related as they came from the same series.

Jay


Formerly in the business. Now just a piano fan.
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2404951 03/31/15 01:25 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 114
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 114
Thanks for clarifying that.

It kind of stinks Kawai did not put both USB to Host and USB to Device on the CN25... that's definitely an advantage for Roland.

Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2404991 03/31/15 03:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,339
D
dmd Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
D
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,339
I would not have your daughter involved with the decision at all ... UNLESS ... Her opinion is going to be the final decision.

Don't ask her which one she prefers and then get the other one.

I would not have her even touch/see any of the options unless she gets to decide.


Last edited by dmd; 03/31/15 03:05 PM.

Don

Casio PX-S1000, Focal Professional CMS 40 near-field monitors, SennHeiser HD 559 Headphones, Pianoteq and numerous other VSTs (Seldom Used), Focus Rite Scarlett 2i2 Audio Interface, Yamaha MG06 Mixer
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Ben Boule #2405149 04/01/15 12:04 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,990
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Online Content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,990
Originally Posted by Ben Boule
It kind of stinks Kawai did not put both USB to Host and USB to Device on the CN25...


Ben, the CN25 prioritises keyboard action and piano sound quality over additional features. The previous generation CN24 did not include 'USB to Host' functionality, so the inclusion of this additional port on the CN25 is a useful upgrade.

The higher specification CN35 provides both 'USB to Host' and 'USB to Device', along with the ability to play and record MP3/WAV audio files, and other features that take advantage of the instrument's larger control panel and LCD display.

Kind regards,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Kawai James #2405268 04/01/15 07:47 AM
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 3
N
Nitran Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
N
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 3
Thanks, James. I had an opportunity to try just CN24 and Roland HP504 (so older version vs higher one). I am not a pianist (I play guitar), but still the action and sound of Kawai seemed to me better. But there are very nice reviews of Roland RP401 (Azpianonews) with a lot of additional features... But the action and sound are higher priorities...

Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Kawai James #2405309 04/01/15 10:10 AM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 114
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 114
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Ben Boule
It kind of stinks Kawai did not put both USB to Host and USB to Device on the CN25...


Ben, the CN25 prioritises keyboard action and piano sound quality over additional features. The previous generation CN24 did not include 'USB to Host' functionality, so the inclusion of this additional port on the CN25 is a useful upgrade.

The higher specification CN35 provides both 'USB to Host' and 'USB to Device', along with the ability to play and record MP3/WAV audio files, and other features that take advantage of the instrument's larger control panel and LCD display.

Kind regards,
James
x


I understand you are just repeating Kawai's marketing stance but it is unfortunate. There are $30 devices which have USB to host & USB to device capabilities and can do recording to MP3/WAV given an input. There is not much excuse for Kawai using this to differentiate between a $1900 piano and a $2800 one. The other DP manufacturers all seem to recognize this with 2015 models.

Besides, Kawai cut the midi ports in adding the USB to Host, it's not like this was a huge improvement over the CN24 or even really an upgrade, it is just a change in included functionality.

Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2405343 04/01/15 11:26 AM
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 3
N
Nitran Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
N
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 3
I know, it's a matter of individual feeling, but is the action and piano sound of CN25 really better than those of RP401?
That's my crucial question. If it is so, I would go for Kawai.

Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2405391 04/01/15 01:41 PM
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,578
8000 Post Club Member
Offline
8000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,578
Just looked at the CN25 and 35 on my local dealers website. They are both considerably cheaper than the old CN24/34 models were, and have loads more stuff . . .got to be good! I`ll look into these myself. Better not tell the missus . . .


"I am not a man. I am a free number"

"[Linked Image]"
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2405505 04/01/15 07:18 PM
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 237
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 237
These 2 are quite different when you consider their features.

RP401R has hundreds of sounds, several rhythms and accompaniments, USB wave recording, (small) screen & iPad app (easier to navigate).
If you want these features, RP401 is more suitable for you.

CN25 is more piano-only type. It has less than 20 sounds, but half of them are pianos. There is no screen, no rhythm/accompaniment, and no USB recording.
It's more like turn on and play type of DP.

Action and sound are subjective. I don't think you can rely on online reviews or comments for decision.
I tried the previous generation CN24, and personally I preferred its action to Roland in the same price range.
Your daughter may feel the other way around.

I don't think one is better than the other. They are good for different preferences.

Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Ben Boule #2405507 04/01/15 07:31 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,990
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Online Content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,990
Hello Ben,

Originally Posted by Ben Boule
I understand you are just repeating Kawai's marketing stance...


I'm partly responsible for shaping Kawai's marketing stance, so my response is not altogether unexpected.

Originally Posted by Ben Boule
...but it is unfortunate.


Well, at least it doesn't stink any more. wink

Originally Posted by Ben Boule
There are $30 devices which have USB to host & USB to device capabilities and can do recording to MP3/WAV given an input.


No doubt there are, but those devices are probably produced in much larger quantities than any Kawai digital piano, and use 'off the shelf' components manufactured in even large quantities. I'm not an engineer, but I'm confident that if we could add 'USB to Device' functionality and MP3/WAV recording to the CN25 at just $30 extra, we'd already be doing it.

Originally Posted by Ben Boule
The other DP manufacturers all seem to recognize this with 2015 models.


The Kawai CN25 competes primarily with the Yamaha CLP-525, which does not feature 'USB to Device' functionality, nor MP3/WAV recording. Both models were announced in 2014.

Originally Posted by Ben Boule
Besides, Kawai cut the midi ports in adding the USB to Host...


I'm afraid you are mistaken. The CN25 features both MIDI IN/OUT connectors and a 'USB to Host' port - here's an illustration from page 40 of the owner's manual:

[Linked Image]

However, it's true that other manufactures have shown a tendency to remove the standard MIDI IN/OUT connectors when adding USB.

Kind regards,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2499347 01/11/16 09:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 11
R
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
R
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 11
The forum's suggestions helped me to decide by visiting the dealers even though they were 75 miles from me.I spent lots of time playing, testing,etc. I decided on the Kawai CN 25.
It was an easy call after trying the other brands in that class. Thanks forum for getting me off the endless internet reviews and into the dealers. Very pleased with the Kawai CN 25 sound and touch. For me it was what made the difference.

Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2499355 01/11/16 09:23 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,990
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Online Content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,990
KawaiRay, thank you for your post, and welcome to the forum.

I'm glad to read that you are happy with your CN25.

Kind regards,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: Roland RP401 or Kawai CN25 ?
Nitran #2520247 03/12/16 01:08 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1
I've preferred Roland RP401R.
It offers more technology than Kawai and also a good keybed.
I'm still thinking Kawai is good as well, but in my honest opinion CN25 has no good sound samples (in terms of quality and not of beauty, I mean), even if I like very much the warm sound its has.
I often like the clear&clean sound, not only amplified by the volume of the speakers.
Also, I've paid the Roland 250 less than its normal price (that it's €1200).
So: it was a great offer to me!

Kind Regards,
M.A.


At the moment: Roland RP401R CB, Sennheiser HD Headphones, JBL Monitors.
In Future: External Audio Interface, Pc, Various Music Softwares.

Anyway, My piano is My Lover.

"Play is the Highest form of Research" ~ Albert Einstein ~

Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
Our October 2020 Free Piano Newsletter is Here!
---------------------
3,000,000+!
------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Is Vermeer the most 'musical' of the great artists?
by bennevis - 11/24/20 07:23 PM
New DP under 3000 euros
by Pullman12 - 11/24/20 03:21 PM
Recording device - Recommendations
by Kinimod - 11/24/20 02:52 PM
Your opinions on my digital mixer setup
by Abdol - 11/24/20 02:37 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics203,023
Posts3,026,772
Members99,361
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4