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Easy pieces in B major for beginners
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Please, I am looking for pieces (2-3 Grades) in B major.
Also I'm looking for pieces in Db major and Gb major.
Any suggestion?
Bernhard recommends in pianostreet to start scales work with these three ones.

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Re: Easy pieces in B major for begginers
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B Major is simply not in those grades.. B Major scales start at grade 4. Pieces perhaps even later.

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You can practice the scale and improvise on it, but easy pieces tend to be written in keys with less sharps, so I doubt you'll find them in the classical repertoire. Same goes for the scales starting on black keys.

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Originally Posted by Aceituna


Which one do you think is the easiest?


difficult to say without knowing what is your experience


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I'm a beginner.
In your opinion which is the easiest one?

I found this another in Db major:
https://musescore.com/user/133213/scores/140875

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Aceituna #2404763 03/31/15 06:31 AM
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Not the greatest, but they are what I used as a kid

Schaums scales and pieces in all keys books 1 and 2
Schaums around the world in all keys

Much better but higher level are

Victor lebenske Piano Miniatures
William gillock Lyric Preludes in romantic style

Much higher level
Robert vandall Preludes
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Aceituna #2404768 03/31/15 06:56 AM
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The second is easiest, but intermediate leveL. It has too many shifts and large spans for a beginner.
The first has an odd time signature (5/4) plus I thought I saw the need to bring out multiple voices in one hand.
The third also has multiple voices.

B major may be a good key signature for beginning scales. It is usually not a good one for beginning pieces. The schaum books I mentioned are one of the few sets that are at beginner level, but the are simplifies and probably transposed pieces. The other books I mentioned in my previos post are worth learning. I've played some in past recitals. The book by labenske is UK grades 3-4.


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Practising pieces with many black keys and scales with many black keys are very different things. Beginner's pieces will allow the hand to reach a wider range than five keys by stretching out the fingers and later by passing the thumb under the second and third fingers.

Increasing the reach by pivoting around the fourth finger is more advanced and that's where scales begin to be effective. Black key scales are easier because the fourth finger, under which the thumb passes, is raised on a black key. In C major it is not. C is therefore the hardest scale mechanically and should be the last learned.

I am strongly opposed to the way scales are frequently taught and supported by examining bodies. G, F and D majors should at least be left until the student is experienced enough to establish his own fingering for the scales - or be taught both ways.

For beginners it is better to read pieces that use fewer black keys to facilitate reading. Scales are not read but played from memory so facility and comfort is more important.

If you're a beginner stick with a wide range of repertoire for the time being. You will develop a flexible mechanism and the brain will find ergonomic movements while you sleep. When you have a flexible and versatile mechanism familiar with pivoting on the thumb alternately with 2nd and 3rd fingers you will begin to get a benefit from scale practise. Without a developed mechanism scales can put your hand in a straightjacket and hinder development unless you have a good teacher to bypass the problems and speed up the process.



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It depends on what you want to do with them and your personal properties. For me the first one would be the easiest. A fugue is a bit far fetched for a beginner, whatever the key.

If a beginner is prepared to take it slow and work carefully, he can definitely learn the first two. They are musically quite simple. Time signatures and keys with many sharps and flats are not difficult to play physically (for an adult with good size hands), the difficulties are more of the mental kind, so whether you struggle or not depends on how easy it is for you to grasp such things and how easy it is for you to memorize.

But does it make sense? To learn something that maybe has little musical value just because you want to start on a certain scale supposedly recommended by someone who lived 200 years ago and in a very different world? While there's so much material for us now to start on? Besides old Fred was known to never teach beginners, so what he recommended may have worked better when learning better physical technique as someone already quite familiar with the piano.

OTOH I also see a problem with the common approach of waiting so long before adding more keys. It's much harder to think of the whites and blacks as equal keys (which they are when we study music theory) when the blacks are so rarely used in the first years. I would see some value in an approach where the whole keyboard is used as soon as possible, but that may be because I am a very "holistic" type of a learner. Learning small bits and pieces and then glueing them together has never worked for me. I need to "get the big picture" first and then add details.

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Just a suggestion, but why not find a piece at your desired skill level, in any key, and transpose it into B major?

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Aceituna #2404788 03/31/15 07:40 AM
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The only piece I could find on the Piano Syllabus site in those keys at grade 2-3 was Franck's Poco lento no 46 in Gb major. Check it out
here.

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Originally Posted by DragonPianoPlayer
Not the greatest, but they are what I used as a kid

Schaums scales and pieces in all keys books 1 and 2
Schaums around the world in all keys



These are still available:

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/scales-and-pieces-in-all-keys-book-1-sheet-music/4983812


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Originally Posted by zrtf90
Practising pieces with many black keys and scales with many black keys are very different things. Beginner's pieces will allow the hand to reach a wider range than five keys by stretching out the fingers and later by passing the thumb under the second and third fingers.


+1

Practice the scales in B, Gb and Db major, but don't worry about choosing pieces in these keys.


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Originally Posted by IanW
The only piece I could find on the Piano Syllabus site in those keys at grade 2-3 was Franck's Poco lento no 46 in Gb major. Check it out
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These short Franck organ pieces tend to be quite complicated to play with many voices and large intervals. "Unpianistic" my teacher calls them... Even if graded "just" 3, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for a beginner without a teacher.

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Did Franck originally write this piece for piano or organ?

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Thank you very much to all.

Originally Posted by Medden
Just a suggestion, but why not find a piece at your desired skill level, in any key, and transpose it into B major?


Maybe this is the best solution.

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Originally Posted by IanW
Did Franck originally write this piece for piano or organ?


For organ or harmonium. It's from a collection called "l'organiste" where Franck had the project of writing a series of pieces in all major and minor keys. He started with C major, going up through the keys chromatically, but died before he had finished the series, only getting as far as Ab major.


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Originally Posted by IanW
Did Franck originally write this piece for piano or organ?


For harmonium actually.

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Minuet in G trasposed to B major:
https://musescore.com/user/131491/scores/753401

Please, any advice?

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