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thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240447
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I posted here last week looking for a new baby grand in the price range of 6k. We took alot of the great advice on this forum of reading up on Larry Fine's book, and playing as many pianos in our price range as possible, and reading through past forum threads in the archives. Turns out we may consider stretching our budget (I bet many of you are not surprised!)and have looked into the Yamaha GB1 and 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang...supposedly the Pramberger series-a step up from YC's Gold Series). Both are priced similarly around 8k. Any thoughts on size, "bang for buck", sound quality, etc. would be extremely helpful. I have been reading alot on the Yamaha's losing their sound quality after the years pass becoming "thin and too bright" of sound and needing more frequent tuning and voicing. This piano search seems to turning into some sort of quest. I hope to hear from many of you experts.


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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240448
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no kidding, can really get frustrating as the months pass and the number of pianos you play goes well into the double digits... Arrgghhhh...

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I'm sorry, but there is a correction in the Cline (YC) size. I posted it as a 5'4" when it is actually a 5'2".

Agathis, yes it is frustrating. And i do worry about the prices jumping as the time goes by, too! Have you found your piano? If so what did you end up with?


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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240450
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nahh, not yet.. going off on another venture tomorrow to play some more pianos... just afraid of missing something.. tomorrow i am going to the young chang folks... looking for a nice upright.. i keep going back to the Kawai K18 in my mind... fits budget, sounded good to me.. but i think i should play some new YC's.. bigger instrument, same $$... Korean build not too shabby from what I have read, then again, depends who you ask..

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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240451
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Ax,

Great post, but one can determine how a piano will age by how it is built.

Boo,

I personally would give a small tip of the scale to the Cline, which when I had seen it (8 years ago) was a gold series piano, but the Pramberger did not exist then, so that may have changed. If someone can verify that the Cline is a Pramberger design, than all the better.

The GB-1 is made to compete pricewise with pianos that are cheaper than Yamaha... like the Pramberger.

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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240452
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Could the GB1 possibly hinder my daughter's improvement as the years pass? I know its smaller therefore limiting power in the bass (something like that) and it lacks a full sostenuto pedal and only has bass sostenuto. I still play piano now but my range of level has never included the sostenuto and I never heard of it until reading up on Larry Fine. (I took piano lessons for three years)

As for verifying the Pramberger line of YC, I read in Larry Fine that Joseph Pramberger has indeed incorporated his design into the YC's. that would be the Pramberger Signature Series. The Cline does have the Pramberger Signature Series logo inside the piano, i believe, on the plate. If anyone can verify that Cline is really one of these YC, that may be helpful also.


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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240453
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NO, the GB1 will not hinder your daughter's performance.

Its a GREAT little piano.


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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240454
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Perhaps the GC1 might be a better value though I do not know that much about the GB1 or GC1. Typically, most people on this board and elsewhere have recommended the GC1 over the GB1.

As for Yamahas becoming brighter and thinner over the years...

ALL PIANOS become brighter and thinner with use and must be maintained properly through a process technicians call 'voicing'. Yamahas are already on the bright side so they seem to brighten too quickly. Still, they are very musical instruments. They don't, in my experience, 'clang and bang'.

I own a Yamaha U3 52" and C3 6'1" and I use a P22 45" in my church office so I believe I can speak to this point a bit. I'm no piano expert, so take this information with a grain of salt. Good luck in your piano search.


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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240455
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The GC1 at 5' 3" would obviously be a step up from either the Cline or the GB1 (Yamaha). Most will try to sway you to a piano OVER five-feet.

Having said that, the Yamaha GB1 is a nice little piano! While it may not be you "ultimate" piano purchase, right now, you are looking to have your family continue their piano education, not make their way to Carnegie Hall.

If it is, in fact, an "interim" purchase (with a "better" piano in your future), most here feel you will have a stronger investment realization by considering the better-known "Yamaha" brand name.

But in the end, you must buy a piano with your eyes, your wallet as well as your ears! If it sounds, looks and feels good, and it's in your price range, you should buy it, no matter what name is on the lid.

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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240456
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Don't forget to try the pianos from Dong Bei.
They include Hallet Davis, Everet, Nordisca and Story and Clark. They make a 5', a 5'5" and a six foot that are very reasonably priced and sound a play beautifully.
Which ever brand you choose, the quality and frequency of technical service performed on it (tuning, voicing, regulation etc.)will be important.
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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240457
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Hello again...well, it turns out that the best price in the 5'2" Cline would be way out of our price league. Over 8k out the door. So, then the option became the 4'11" Cline and the 4'11" Yamaha or even a Henry F. Miller at 5'3" . I havent heard any reviews yet on the Henry F. Miller. I think the name is owned/distributed by Sherman Clay and is made out of Pearl River. We went out to three stores to play all of these pianos and they all seem nice. The Yamaha GB1 in an ebony polish however had a wrinkled or bubbly type of finish. It didnt seem as fresh or refined as the GC1 or the Henry F. Miller or the Clines. I dont know if this thing was limited to this piano individually or if the rest of them look that way. Thanks for your posts, please keep them coming!


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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240458
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Art, before I forget, we did look into a Story and Clark and it did sound and play beautifully. However, the store owner didnt seem as reputable and there werent any other stores that carried the story and clark. I havent found any other of the names you listed, but your suggestions are still appreciated!


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bootan, I am surprised that no posters have suggested that you look at an upright instead of a 4'11" baby (maybe - baby baby) grand. With $6,000.00 you can buy a very good upright with probably a bigger and better sound. Stretching the budget an additional $2,000.00 could put you into some really sweet uprights. A U1 for instance.
I am assuming that you can buy a higher end and bigger upright or a small and lower end grand at the $6 - 8,000.00 mark. Am I right Chris?
I would love a grand piano, but untill I can buy a 5'8" or bigger I will stick with my 52" upright.

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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240460
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bootan,
I started a new thread - size of uprights to grands. Del Fandrich responded with some very interesting information that you might like to read comparing small grands to upright pianos.
Good luck with your piano search.
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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240461
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I'm also surprised nobody has pulled out the ol' "baby grands under 5' are what we call P.S.O.s (piano-shaped objects)" line, either.

But I echo Mike's recommendation. The sound on a good quality upright will be better than what you can get with an under-five-foot grand. You might be able to find a dealer who will give you a full trade-up package, too (i.e., they'll take your upright in trade at the full price you paid for it should you upgrade to a grand later); failing that, you can pick a brand that has high name recognition and resale value for when you want to upgrade.

If you go the baby grand route, don't worry about only having the bass sustenuto pedal. You use the sostenuto very, very rarely unless you're truly an advanced player, and by the time your daughter gets to the stage where she needs it, you'll be ready to upgrade to a seven footer.


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Re: thoughts on Yamaha GB1 or a 5'4" Cline (made by Young Chang-Pramberger series) #240462
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Art, before I forget, we did look into a Story and Clark and it did sound and play beautifully. However, the store owner didnt seem as reputable and there werent any other stores that carried the story and clark. I havent found any other of the names you listed, but your suggestions are still appreciated!


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I apologize for the double post. I think it happens if i hit the back button on my browser.

Mdsdurango,
Moving from a grand to an upright sounds like something we may need to think about. I'll be sure to check out that thread.

We are really in love with a grand style piano. We do have limited space, which is another reason as to why we wouldn't mind the 4'11" . But if a 5'3" Henry F. Miller (made by Pearl River) is what will give us "more piano for our dollar" then its an important note to look into. I have read on a good number of people who bought the GB1 and seem to be happy. Its just hard to make this type of decision without any feedback on the Henry F. Miller.


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Does anyone have any opinions on a Henry F. Miller 5'3" piano? or even Sherman Clay?


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okay so the Henry F. Miller is out and Yamaha is in. It's between the GB1 and the GC1...I guess it should be a no-brainer with the GC1, but cost is an issue. Oh, I know in the latest Larry Fine book, the 5'3's in the G series rated lower than the 4'11s...ive been told that there have been improvements in this new line of yamaha's. can anyone confirm this for me? I'd feel a bit bad if i went with the bigger piano and it turned out that it rated lower than the smaller one.


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I really don't think the GC1 can be rated lower than the GB1. The GC1 has duplex scaling and the "tone collector" system. The GB1 does not. Can any technicians help out with these two features? It seems to me that duplex scaling is highly desirable on smaller grands. I'm not sure exactly what the tone collector system is.


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Since you're decided already to go Yamaha either way - I wouldn't fish around for any more information here but rather go with what the Yamaha dealer represents to you as *fact*

Otherwise it could lead to a conflict of whom to *believe* in the end.

Which isn't a good feeling for starting any deal.

Copngratulations in advance and - good luck!

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