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Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? #2381237
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Perhaps only four weeks before the CA-97 reaches the UK. Meanwhile I would like to hear from anyone that has actually played this new model. I have read the spec and the user manual but I would value the opinion of those here after they get hands on.

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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2381877
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Nope - but I am dying to hear some good examples of the new resonance parameters in the virtual technician settings. Wonder if the sound overall has become less static, especially in the sustain phase (and longer due to added generated resonances ?).

HI-XL of previous (95) generation is decent, but a bit thin in the higher registers and more specifically; too short with higher notes. An acoustic rings much longer and less static in the higher registers. Low and mid register is quite OK on the current generation.

New Shigeru EX sounds very much like the Studio Grand preset in the CA-95 BTW - which has always been my favorite over the Concert Grand. Coincidence ?

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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2382046
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*sigh* If only they had put these samples in the MP11


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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Markarian] #2382100
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Originally Posted by Markarian
*sigh* If only they had put these samples in the MP11


I know, we discussed planned obsolescence many times before. It is a business after all trying to make long term profits. I accept that with no problem.

OT: Does it really matter? Funny, even if Kawai put out the "perfect" acoustic piano sample we would still complain.... it's to bright, it's to dull, it's to thin, Pianoteq 9 will sound so much better, it was sampled not modeled, I miss limited polyphony, authentic hammer hardness is giving me a headache, my dog likes Kawai but my cat likes Steinway... etc, etc,

I digress. Im sure the the CA97 will sound spectacular.... to at least 50% of us . In the near future the MP12 will have it all!!.... except 256 voices



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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Marko in Boston] #2382576
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Originally Posted by Markarian
*sigh* If only they had put these samples in the MP11


I know, we discussed planned obsolescence many times before. It is a business after all trying to make long term profits. I accept that with no problem.

OT: Does it really matter? Funny, even if Kawai put out the "perfect" acoustic piano sample we would still complain.... it's to bright, it's to dull, it's to thin, Pianoteq 9 will sound so much better, it was sampled not modeled, I miss limited polyphony, authentic hammer hardness is giving me a headache, my dog likes Kawai but my cat likes Steinway... etc, etc,

I digress. Im sure the the CA97 will sound spectacular.... to at least 50% of us . In the near future the MP12 will have it all!!.... except 256 voices



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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2382602
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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2390439
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Not yet but...

I will get mine next week hopefully.

If it is 50% as good as my CA95 it will be UNBELIEVABLE !!!

I will poste my first impressions hopefully next week.

Alexander *happy as can be*

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Galuwen] #2390478
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Originally Posted by Galuwen
Not yet but...

I will get mine next week hopefully.

If it is 50% as good as my CA95 it will be UNBELIEVABLE !!!

I will poste my first impressions hopefully next week.

Alexander *happy as can be*


I look forward to hearing your impressions,

Ian


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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Marko in Boston] #2396598
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Originally Posted by Markarian
*sigh* If only they had put these samples in the MP11


I know, we discussed planned obsolescence many times before. It is a business after all trying to make long term profits. I accept that with no problem.

OT: Does it really matter? Funny, even if Kawai put out the "perfect" acoustic piano sample we would still complain.... it's to bright, it's to dull, it's to thin, Pianoteq 9 will sound so much better, it was sampled not modeled, I miss limited polyphony, authentic hammer hardness is giving me a headache, my dog likes Kawai but my cat likes Steinway... etc, etc,

I digress. Im sure the the CA97 will sound spectacular.... to at least 50% of us . In the near future the MP12 will have it all!!.... except 256 voices



That said does Kawai have a "trade up" program? I could see that as a real money maker and also a way for people to upgrade large bulky electronics such as digital pianos without having to deal with selling on the local used market. I'd be more inclined to trade up to something newer and even pay for it in depreciation if I knew I wouldn't have to deal with the hassle of shipping or dealing with someone picking up, backing out of a deal, and all the other woes of selling to a private party.

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2398931
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*narf* I did not get one :-(:-( :-(.

Not available anymore...

Anyone experience with the new CLP 585 - Bösendörfer - *is excited*

Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2398950
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I played a CA97 for about an hour today. My impressions:

- I tried out the three grand piano sounds. After a while I found the touch setting: for my taste it seemed better on "heavy".

- The Shigeru concert grand has a rich sound with very resonant bass tones. For me the bass was a bit overpowering. Maybe I could have rectified this with the Virtual Technician, but I didn't want to spend the time trying to figure out how that worked.

- I found the SK-5 sound better balanced throughout the range.

- The speaker system is very good. Playing through speakers and playing through my Beyerdynamic headphones sounded surprisingly similar. This beats my NU1 where the sound through headphones is noticeably better than the sound through the speakers.

- All the grand pianos sounded artificial when playing long sustained high notes: I suspect looping to be the culprit.

- All in all I found the sounds were good but not as realistic as the CFX and Bösendorfer in the CLP 585 (I had one of those at home for several weeks).

- The touch is pretty good, better than the CLP 585, but still cannot compete with an action that has a real escapement (NU1 or AvantGrand).

- I was disappointed with the "ebony feel" black keys: the surface is slightly rough. I'm used to real ebony keys (such as those on my old Richard Lipp) being silky smooth.





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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Beemer] #2398971
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Just one question regarding the sound comaprison with CLP585.
Do you think that they would sound more realistic to you, when you would have the piano at home?

That makes many times huge difference.

And, well, that's ebony from a DP, it always will be inferior to the grand pianos ebonych touch, so nothing new here.

However, seems like an really top DP (excluding those 2 and more timex expensive machines with real actions or V-piano technology inside.

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I only had the Chance to test the CA67.

The sound really blew me away.

I decided to wait for my CA97 anyway. I was REALLY disappointed with the CLP 545 in the shop. It sounded very thin and not realistic.

Funny i really like the new Ebony keys and the Keyboard by any means.

I compared with a brand new Yamaha Grand piano and the black keys are absolutely the same (may be because they are brand new).

I took a foto to show you.

Can't wait for my CA97 > Shop told me today about 6-8 weeks from now (hopefully).

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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Galuwen] #2399001
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Originally Posted by Galuwen
*narf* I did not get one :-(:-( :-(.

Not available anymore...


May I ask what happened?

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: MRC] #2399003
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MRC, thank you for sharing your impressions of the CA97.

May I ask if you have had a chance to play-test the CA95, and if so, how you feel the CA97 compares?

Kind regards,
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
MRC, thank you for sharing your impressions of the CA97.

May I ask if you have had a chance to play-test the CA95, and if so, how you feel the CA97 compares?

Kind regards,
James
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There wasn't a CA95 to compare directly with the CA97. I tried a CA95 some months ago: memory is deceptive, but I get the impression that the sound of the CA97 is considerably richer and more like a real piano. This could be coming both from the new samples and the improved speaker system.

As for the touch, I really don't know. I simply cannot trust my memory here: I'd have to play both instruments side by side to see if I felt any difference.


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Originally Posted by kapelli
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Just one question regarding the sound comaprison with CLP585.
Do you think that they would sound more realistic to you, when you would have the piano at home?


That is a tricky question. As I said, I had a few weeks with the CLP585, but only an hour with the CA97. I found the sound of the CFX and Bösendorfer samples in the CLP585 excellent when played through headphones: with headphones, I haven't found a digital piano sound I like better. With the speakers the sound wasn't as satisfying.

For my ears (all this is subjective!) the actual samples of the CLP585 sounded more realistic than those of the CA97, but the speaker system of the CA97 is better than that of the CLP585.

Of course I only played the CA97 for an hour and didn't have time to try out all the different things that can be done with the Virtual Technician. The possibilities here seem huge: I wonder how many players actually take the trouble to test them and use them.

What I found out after playing the CLP585 for a few weeks was that, although I liked the sound, I couldn't live with the touch. This is a very personal thing and I would recommend trying an instrument as long as possible before buying it.


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Re: Anyone actually played a Kawai CA-97? [Re: Kawai James] #2399161
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Originally Posted by Kawai James

May I ask if you have had a chance to play-test the CA95, and if so, how you feel the CA97 compares?


I have tested a Kawai CA67 and have CA95, so my opinion has some interest smile

* New ebony touch and wider size of black keys is good enough for me.
* Touch is clearly heavier in new models.
* Touch from escape point plays subtle notes; much better now.

I don't know yet if I like enough new sound/touch overall. I should try dynamics more time. This week I will test CA97 and make a decision smile


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Hehe,

my E- Mail account is exploding in the moment. Thanks for the messages.

I have to point out I wrote about the new Grand Feel II keyboard in my posting above.

What happend? A bit of an unexpected delay:-).

The CA97 is a bit difficult to get in the moment in our region.

But I can wait...and wait.....and wait.....and wait....

Alexander

P.S.: If I wanted to be meticolous I would point out: It's hard to discuss about the surface of a keyboard if a manufacturer don't even know that EBONY is BLACK and IVORY is white. Start your google search and look here:

In German the white keys are made of EBONY (Ebenholz):
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In English they are made of Ivory (White):
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Source: Manual of CVP 409 :-)



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