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choosing new cabinet piano #2398278
03/15/15 05:23 AM
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I am still deciding on a cabinet piano , I currently have a kawai es 100 and a korg pa 300 keyboard.

I haven't got the room for both and I am thinking about getting a dp that covers both my piano playing and keyboard playing

things it must have are weighted keys 88 notes in a cabinet with a closing lid , and a accomp section that follows the chords I play on left hand , I like playing keyboard style with chords on the left hand and I also like learning piano with both hands

my budget is around 900 - 1000 pounds

I do like the kawai quality of the keys which to me are slightly heavier than the standard Yamaha keys although I wouldn't be fussed If the one I get is slightly lighter feel but not heavier like the Yamaha gh

i have discounted Yamaha clavino cvp range as they are just too far out of my budget range

i have seen a reconditioned kawai kcp 80 but then realised its a bit older technology , i cant see any newer kawais with accomp section for my budget which is a shame , others i am considering is casio ap 650 and roland 401r not sure how they compare to the kawai key feel , the accomp section needs to be reasonable , i realise it wont be as good as the korg pa 300 sound engine but i want more than just drum rhythm's and a good 8 beat accomp and a good jazz accomp that follws chords on left hand if anyone has any feedback on my above mentioned models or any others i may have missed let me know i have done some searching of older threads i think the 401 seems favourable , the casio 650 seems to have lot of good features and can be had for around 700 pounds in uk but i am concerned about the key quality , i haven't got option to try any models my main stockist of casio stock anything but the 650 although i have yet to contact a dealer in Sheffield uk who may have one to try , roland dealers are non existent in my part of the world and kawai for that matter

thanks mark

thanks mark

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Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2398281
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another one i have considered is the Yamaha dgx 650 although i know its a slab type dp it does seem to have a lot of features to cover piano and keyboard playing i did start out on a psr e333

and can be had for a good price not sure how the key feels compared to kawai i did try a 620 in a shop once and the keys felt really heavy

Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2398298
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I gather the f130 r roland is same spec as 401 apart from cabinet and control layout being more to the left sleeker more modern design I like it apart from where you put your music book seems a bit thin more suited to an ipad ! but looks nice anyone have either of these models ? wondered what the key action was like

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Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2398413
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I would definately recommend the roland f 130r, it fits all your requirements
and the key action is fantastic. I played it a few weeks back and I'm looking to purchase it soon. I've tried out loads of cabinet style pianos in this price range and for me the roland f 130r and the yamaha ydp s51 are the best at this price point (in my humble opinion). The Ap 650 has bigger speakers and perhaps a fuller sound, but that is about the only advantage. The matt key finish on the celviano is quite unique - not to my liking - the roland has the ivory feel keys, and the casios have a cheap looking console unfortunately.

You would have to play them yourself though - one man's meat....

Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2398489
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thanks for reply mark , I read good things about the f130 on here , how was the keys in regards to any nasty noises or clicking ? I like my kawai es 100 the keys are faultless in my opinion a little on the heavy side but very good quality , the speakers aren't great , I come to realise that any dp with 8 watts or less in each speaker the overall sound from them isn't going to be great I was going to go for the kawai kdp90 which is similar in someways to the f130 but for a bit extra I fancy the f130 because of the accomp section , did you try that at all ? I have tried a few lower end casio but wasn't that impressed

think I am going to go for the roland just need to sell my other keyboard and piano first !

mark

Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2398536
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Originally Posted by markiemark
thanks for reply mark , I read good things about the f130 on here , how was the keys in regards to any nasty noises or clicking ? . . .

. . . but for a bit extra I fancy the f130 because of the accomp section , did you try that at all ? I have tried a few lower end casio but wasn't that impressed



The two F130R's I've played have had quiet keys -- perfectly OK. Significantly better than the older "Ivory Feel-G" keyboard.

You might like to try a Casio PX-350, if you haven't. It's got full auto-accompaniment / auto-chording / automatic harmony (in the right hand). Decent sound generator, inadequate amps and speakers. Or a Casio PX-780 (same as PX-350 in a cabinet, with better speakers). Or a Casio AP-650 (I think).

If you've tried it and didn't like it, I won't be offended. Tastes differ.

. Charles

PS -- Bias -- I own a PX-350.


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Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2398692
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thanks for reply Charles I am leaning towars the roland , I not tried the casio 350 I did try the 220 or something lke that model number wasn't great the 350 seems to have better if not higher wattage speakers how do you rate the 35o ? are the keys quality ok ?

Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2398972
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How does the key weight of the Casio AP650/AP460 compare with the Roland FP-130R or RP401R? I've got an RP-401R, and the action was heavier than the Yamaha and Kawai that I auditioned it against. I didn't find a Casio to try it against. (I had to relearn playing at any kind of speed on the Roland after only using unweighted keys recently.)


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Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2399392
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I found the key weight of the Roland heavier than the casios personally.

Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2399475
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I think, if you have an action that doesn't clunk, and that's not _very_ heavy or _very_ light (e.g. the Yamaha "GHS" in the P105):

. . . You'll quickly get used to whatever you buy.

I'm happy playing on the PX-350, but I'm not doing difficult stuff. The new Casio's (PX-150 / PX-350 etc) are better than anything Casio produced in the past, so don't judge them by your experience with a pre-2013 model.

The PX-350 speakers don't do the piano justice. I use a PA speaker instead. If you want nice built-in sound, a Roland F130R is a better choice.

. Charles

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Re: choosing new cabinet piano [Re: markiemark] #2399543
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Originally Posted by markiemark
I am still deciding on a cabinet piano , I currently have a kawai es 100 and a korg pa 300 keyboard.

I haven't got the room for both and I am thinking about getting a dp that covers both my piano playing and keyboard playing

things it must have are weighted keys 88 notes in a cabinet with a closing lid , and a accomp section that follows the chords I play on left hand , I like playing keyboard style with chords on the left hand and I also like learning piano with both hands

my budget is around 900 - 1000 pounds

I do like the kawai quality of the keys [...]

i have seen a reconditioned kawai kcp 80 but then realised its a bit older technology , i cant see any newer kawais with accomp section for my budget [...]

thanks mark


Hello Mark,

yeah, the accompaniment makes it not so easy. When googling around Kawai pianos I bumped into a demo of Kawai KCP90, which might be interesting for you... I just remember it, it was not intersting for me as I would definitely be more interested in a CN25.
Now I was googling it again, and I have found it only in the US/Australia frown . It might worth a question to the local Kawai distributor...

Last edited by Jasper E.; 03/18/15 02:07 AM. Reason: typo

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