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#2436351 - 06/28/15 12:43 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: Tralexer]
markmilo Offline
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Registered: 06/23/15
Posts: 12
I'm new to Piano World. I just want to thank you for the words about process. As a writer, I yearn to just crank out work - but I've learned to actually love the re-write process; thinking quite technically about structure, character development and relationships, even to the sound of words and rhythm of phrases. That's what puts me in the flow, and my work has improved considerably.

Now getting back to the piano after many years, I starting to find that I can still love Rubinstein (and more and more these days, Schiff), but I'm learning to love learning. When I don't, I just get frustrated that I'm not Rubinstein and never will be, and then I just want to quit.

Now I'm pulling myself out of that trap, and starting to really love the process. As someone else said, love the process, not the goal. I'd add, love the process and the goal will take care of itself.

For me, integrating that is a MAJOR step forward both in playing and in life.

So thank you all for the inspiration. I'm so glad I found these forums!

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#2436479 - 06/28/15 09:14 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
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Registered: 05/29/15
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Welcome Markmilo. So glad your realize the importance of the process. It can be enjoyable and challenging. That is what makes the goal so worth the work.

Happy piano playing!!!
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#2451874 - 08/18/15 05:11 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Ted Offline
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Registered: 04/03/02
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The two best tips I have received here came from Brendan and bennevis. Many years ago Brendan suggested practising difficult, continuous passages, not by slow practice but by splitting them into small sections, each of which is easy at speed, with pauses between each pair, then joining them over time. I have been using this trick ever since and it has never failed to get results quickly.

The second tip came from bennevis, who suggested using baby socks as pedal bags. Brilliant !
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#2467559 - 10/07/15 07:03 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: Ted]
TonyB Offline
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Registered: 12/08/07
Posts: 1197
Loc: Twin Cities
Te best thing I learned about at Piano World (so far) is about the Roland V-Grand. Living in a condo, these are the products that can provide me the (so far) closest experience to a "real" piano (as many seem to phrase it. Thanks go out to pv-88, bennevis, and EssBrace for this.

Also, I have gotten a lot of information about self-teaching methods and approaches.

Really, both of these items are of equal importance, since one would simply not do without the other.

Tony
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#2487045 - 12/03/15 04:34 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Celdor Offline
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Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 344
Originally Posted By D7K
Ok, list the one thing you've learned here (in any forum) that you think did the most for your piano playing.

Preparation to recitals. I have been given absolutely amazing and 100% constructive advices regarding practising for recitals. Many thanks to: earlofmar, dmd, Stubbie, zrtf90, BrianDX, SwissMS smile

I also play with headphones and used to keep volume on 50% but it was my teacher who changed that. Now, I tend to play without headphones which feels great when I can actually listen to piano more naturally smile


Edited by Celdor (12/03/15 04:47 AM)
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#2491247 - 12/16/15 06:49 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: markmilo]
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About time to add a second thing I've learned that was greatly helpful. Play every day no matter how long.I now keep some easy pop stuff on the music stand and when I don't feel well or too busy with life, I fire up the PX5S and just play a piece that I know once or twice - its lifts my spirit and I don't feel the pressure of not having played.
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#2491484 - 12/17/15 02:57 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Noonie Offline
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Registered: 06/02/15
Posts: 196
Hands separate (HS)...slowly. HS up to tempo. Hands together (HT)...slowly. HT up to tempo. I like learning, and the process of learning, and while my teacher would have me do this when learning new songs, she didn't say it so clearly as I've read here.

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#2491678 - 12/18/15 07:18 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: Noonie]
BrianDX Offline
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Registered: 04/14/14
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Originally Posted By Noonie
Hands separate (HS)...slowly. HS up to tempo. Hands together (HT)...slowly. HT up to tempo. I like learning, and the process of learning, and while my teacher would have me do this when learning new songs, she didn't say it so clearly as I've read here.

Great to hear Noonie; Just to take note, there are many posters here in ABF that do not subscribe to this method. But that's OK.

However, both my teacher and the publishers of my lesson books recommend this technique. I have found through trial and error that this works best for me as well.
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#2494922 - 12/29/15 06:23 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: markmilo]
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Registered: 04/13/07
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Loc: The Netherlands, Grootegast-Gr...
Originally Posted By markmilo
I'm new to Piano World. I just want to thank you for the words about process. As a writer, I yearn to just crank out work - but I've learned to actually love the re-write process; thinking quite technically about structure, character development and relationships, even to the sound of words and rhythm of phrases. That's what puts me in the flow, and my work has improved considerably.

Now getting back to the piano after many years, I starting to find that I can still love Rubinstein (and more and more these days, Schiff), but I'm learning to love learning. When I don't, I just get frustrated that I'm not Rubinstein and never will be, and then I just want to quit.

Now I'm pulling myself out of that trap, and starting to really love the process. As someone else said, love the process, not the goal. I'd add, love the process and the goal will take care of itself.

For me, integrating that is a MAJOR step forward both in playing and in life.

So thank you all for the inspiration. I'm so glad I found these forums!


Markmilo,

Welcome on board......PW is a nice place to be....among pianofriends......you will find all kind of interesting things......about piano's, digital piano's, grandpiano's.....abput what other members are playing......digital recitals.......

You will enjoy it.

Kind regards,
Johan B
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#2505652 - 01/30/16 07:32 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Medved1 Offline
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Registered: 12/06/14
Posts: 96
Loc: New York
"Best things I've learned on Piano World" - the kind and good humored support for piano and music as a process, rather than a result. What a lift at the end of a long day to sit down and learn something. I loved the comment from markmilo that "I'm learning to love learning". So easy to forget in today's world, so important for mental health and "staying power" in the face of whatever life throws at you.


Edited by Medved1 (01/30/16 07:46 PM)
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#2507239 - 02/04/16 03:14 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
agraffe Offline
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Registered: 01/08/08
Posts: 208
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
I learned about Hutchins & Rea sheet music store in Atlanta: What a wonderful resource! IMSLP is more comprehensive, and free, but one has to use copies from the printer.

Also, I discovered the value of coming in physical contact with the keyboard every day, even if I am not able to take it much further than that (on a given day).

I am pondering the wisdom of not beginning at the beginning of a piece when I practice (though I am not fully certain/convinced why this should be so).

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#2513175 - 02/21/16 08:33 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
TonyB Offline
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Registered: 12/08/07
Posts: 1197
Loc: Twin Cities
There are more things that I realize I learned here as I go along. Much of the time, I use headphones when playing my Roland V-Grand Digital Piano (DP), since I live in a condo. I have a couple of models that I have tweaked for this purpose and they sound just fine. From time to time, I will use the speaker system during the day. On the V-Grand, it is a powerful system, with 4 60 watt amplifiers and several speakers in a multi-channel arrangement.

A couple of people have mentioned that when practicing on a DP, we should turn the volume up high to approach the dynamics of an acoustic piano, otherwise, we end up learning to pound on the keys instead of finessing them to get the sound we want.

Much of the time when practicing with headphones, I keep the sound turned down, which clearly I should not be doing. I find that when I use the speaker system, I can clearly tell that I am playing the keys too hard, and then I have to turn the volume way up so I can play more softly to get a decent sound and have "headroom" for dynamics.

There are all manner of tips in these forums that can slip by us at the time we read them, but recall when we are looking for a solution to a particular situation we find ourselves in. This is one of those cases. I wonder how many people, when trying out DPs looking to purchase, remember to do this. The sound is much better when we do, as is the dynamic response of the DP, especially on a truly high end instrument such as the V-Grand or V-Piano and the newer line of Roland consumer-market instruments.

Tony



Edited by TonyB (02/21/16 08:34 AM)
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#2516986 - 03/03/16 05:34 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Major Keys Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/24/16
Posts: 12
Loc: Sydney, AU
The main thing so far is that my experience is pretty normal. I'm not learning at a very fast rate but I'm progressing. When I'm encountering things that I find difficult this place has taught me that I'm not the first to find those things and I won't be the last.

With perseverance, studious attention and some experimentation, you can find a way through.

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#2541614 - 05/20/16 05:43 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Sandy Fry Offline
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Registered: 02/23/16
Posts: 40
Loc: SoCal
For me...it has been the help and advice I have been given by the wonderful folks here on the forum.
Although I am a complete beginner ( age 52 ) with no prior musical knowledge, everyone has treated my ( probably heard a zillion times before )questions with respect and patience.

Thank you all.

David

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#2550481 - 06/19/16 10:26 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Just Steven Offline
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Registered: 10/10/15
Posts: 248
When I was little, my music teacher taught me the best thing in music; that is learning by ear all the scales, arpeggios, and chords. I thought it was boring and worthless until one day when it suddenly clicks. They make playing music so much easier.


Edited by Just Steven (06/19/16 10:30 AM)

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#2572619 - 09/20/16 10:03 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
InnaGrace Offline
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Registered: 08/28/16
Posts: 81
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
I've only been on the forums for about a month, but have learned a TON:
- that I love geeking out with fellow pianists! smile
- great advice regarding my purchase of a digital piano (settled on a Roland HP605 - LOVE it)
- that there exist amateur competitions for adults
- that I'm actually excited to give those a shot someday (!!)
- that we have our own quarterly recitals here!
- that in order to be able to play pain-free (long-standing tendinitis injury) I need to re-train with a good teacher
- that this may take a long time, and I need to focus on pain-free playing rather than any other goal right now
- that others here have traveled the same path and can now play without issues
- that there are tons of resources, and folks are happy to help
- that Opus numbers are quite arbitrary
- that everyone at times struggles with motivation (and that reading the forums actually increases my motivation!)
- that there are many ways to learn longer pieces and difficult passages, not just from the beginning, hands separately and slowly - you can also dive into the middle of the piece and work on the most challenging passages first, then reward yourself with the easier ones in between; and you can break challenging passages into tiny pieces each of which is easier and then connect them
- that Mozart isn't "easy" (as I had thought for years), but requires a "cleanliness" and consistency of playing that's actually quite challenging
- and, my favorite one so far (with thanks to Tubbie0075) - that the key to playing Chopin is to always keep the tension going, whether that means slowing down or speeding up, louder or softer; what a PERFECT way to look at it!

So excited to continue my journey here with you all!

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#2595783 - 12/18/16 09:48 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
rodirgo Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 1
For me, as an adult self taught beginner reading lots of posts, the best advice was don't be that affraid of pieces, just be patient and practice a lot!

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#2601074 - 01/04/17 03:54 PM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
Wuffski Offline
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Registered: 08/28/12
Posts: 534
Loc: Europe (Northern Spain)
I learned that nobody on the Piano World forum would ever tell me that I won't make it to become a pianist, although my progress is a total flop. And if I purchase an acoustic piano and upload a photo of it then I will be told how beautiful it looks, although it is just the same black polished wooden box like any other piano is.

In other words, I learned that even fools like me are respectfully treated and this forum is thus the one very best forum in all the Internet. THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU!
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#2619949 - 03/03/17 11:04 AM Re: The best thing I've learned on Piano World.... [Re: D7K]
oscar1 Offline
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Registered: 02/20/17
Posts: 63
I learned that I have a long way to go to become any kind of player.... but I also learned to appreciate the dedication and work others put into it.


Edited by oscar1 (03/03/17 11:05 AM)

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