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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373699
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If you wish to wear white tie whilst practising the answer is simply to change for dinner a little earlier than usual.

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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: BornInTheUSA] #2373702
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Originally Posted by michaelha
I put a string cover to keep the dust out and keep the lid either fully or partially open. The string cover affects the sound only slightly.

I don't really like opening & closing the lid each time I play, increases the risk of dropping it and damaging the piano.



Michael, seeing that you are in the Bay area, where earthquakes are prone, you may want to consider that if the lid is fully open at all times, there is a greater risk that an earthquake or tremor could cause the lid to disengage from the prop and come crashing down. Just something to consider.

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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Jean Claude] #2373735
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Originally Posted by Jean Claude


If you wish to wear white tie whilst practising the answer is simply to change for dinner a little earlier than usual.


I am very informal and normally suggest dining black tie.


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373743
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There is no consensus, do what makes you happy. Mine's always open with the lid on short stick or all the way up depending on my mood. No string cover, I like to see the innards.


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373753
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I sometimes open to short stick because the sound is a bit better, but usually when practicing I don't bother. I keep the piano closed when not playing. I usually open it when there's company because it looks more welcoming.


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373798
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I have been known to play naked when no one is home. I don't put the lid up because I show a few of my models up there. The room has no shelves because poking holes in the wall lessons the soundproofing I spent so much money on so horizontal space is limited.

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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373800
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On half stick all the time (now), and slippery with Cory's, to inform the cat that it is not a cat tree. Covered with a fabric dust cover at night. And as for fumes, I live in a house which has a kitchen door that closes, and which has a stove hood vented to the outside... and I see to it that both features are employed.

I confess, that when playing scales and warm-ups, I wear earplugs. Protects my hearing and reduces inhibitions about 'making noise.' The neighbors have already been polled to determine what they can hear, and have been asked to let me know if it bothers them. No takers so far.


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I keep my instruments closed and covered when not in use. But they are voiced to get the most out of them with the lid up. My harpsichord teacher once told me "no self respecting keyboardist should ever play with the lid closed." This may be a bit more applicable to a harpsichord than someone with a 9' grand in their small living room, but even then, why have something you never intend to get 100% out of?


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: SMHaley] #2374018
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We keep the lid closed 98% of the time... Mostly due to music books left on top, plus my wife's decoration items... Kind of hard to keep the decks cleared.


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Fully closed with the music desk on towels on top almost all the time. It's plenty loud enough that way. I open it all the way just before the tuner is scheduled to arrive. Hasn't happened yet, but I'd open it if someone wanted to hear it that way.


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Jeff Clef] #2374192
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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
On half stick all the time (now), and slippery with Cory's, to inform the cat that it is not a cat tree. Covered with a fabric dust cover at night. And as for fumes, I live in a house which has a kitchen door that closes, and which has a stove hood vented to the outside... and I see to it that both features are employed.

I confess, that when playing scales and warm-ups, I wear earplugs. Protects my hearing and reduces inhibitions about 'making noise.' The neighbors have already been polled to determine what they can hear, and have been asked to let me know if it bothers them. No takers so far.

This brings up a point that I sometimes forget about: that grand pianos depending on their size and the room they are placed in (plus acoustics) can be quite LOUD.

Or piano is 5' 8" in a 13x12 room, and playing fortissimo gets up to 95db. And this is with the lid mostly closed.


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If had it around a year now. I am no professional pianist rather than intermediate. I think for Chopin nocturnes and Romaric era music having the lid down sounds fine but I think more classical pieces like MOzart benefit from a brighter treble sound that you get from opening it up. To avoid ravening my partner I keep it down most of the time with music stand on top especially for scales etc

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Brighter treble. Predictive text !!!!


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2374280
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Mine is usually up...looks better that way, I think. I'm a little concerned about the oil (and dirt) from my hands getting on the lid in one particular spot if I open and close it daily. Also, it's heavy...and I'm old. To me it sounds best with the music desk folded down.


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I used to think about this a lot. I tried closed, short stick, middle stick and full stick. Each configuration changes the sound in subtle ways. Now, I leave it on full stick all the time. It just sounds "right" that way. Also, I love the way it looks fully open.

As a side note, I found that closing the lid made the touch feel heavier, and I played harder to get the sound I wanted, which sometimes led to sore hands and wrists.


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I've finally got my room voiced, including moving the piano, for my 7' grand (the room is small but opens into the rest of the house). Unequivocally the tone is best with the lid raised fully, and now it's not too loud.

With only the front open with music desk raised, I find it too loud. I do play scales and arpeggios with the lid down for the sake of others.

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Not to be a smart ass, but do we need to have a thread like this every three months on piano world? There's a search function which allows you to find past threads. this topic has been covered many many many times. At this point I'll bet piano world has enough 'Lid Open or Closed' threads to rival the complete works of J.R.R Tolkien (except Tolkien is far less repetitive:)



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Originally Posted by AJF
Not to be a smart ass, but do we need to have a thread like this every three months on piano world? There's a search function which allows you to find past threads. this topic has been covered many many many times. At this point I'll bet piano world has enough 'Lid Open or Closed' threads to rival the complete works of J.R.R Tolkien (except Tolkien is far less repetitive:)


Meh. You saw the topic. You knew what it was. You clicked on it. Then you responded. If you don't like the topic, don't click on it. It's not like the forum is so busy that you can't keep up with new topics, so who cares if Frank is storing a few redundant MB of discussions? I ignore at least a third of the topics posted on most forums I read.

That said, I love the sound of my piano full stick, but a piano that size is just too loud for daily playing in a 13' x 14' room. My preferred method is half stick, but if I need to play more quietly, I'll close the piano and open up the front and put down the music stand so I can hear some of the overtones. I really don't like to play with the lid fully closed.

I should close the piano when I'm not playing it to keep dust out, but, ya know, I'm too lazy.


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I keep the keyboard on the piano exposed all the time, dust and all.

I have kids learning to play the piano, and it's located on the way from the kitchen to their room. The open keyboard tempts them every time they pass by. They end up spontaneously sitting down at piano and playing a tune quite often.

I doubt that would happen if the keyboard was covered. That extra effort of moving a light object by a few inches is too challenging for tweens.

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Originally Posted by MomOfBeginners
I keep the keyboard on the piano exposed all the time, dust and all.

I have kids learning to play the piano, and it's located on the way from the kitchen to their room. The open keyboard tempts them every time they pass by. They end up spontaneously sitting down at piano and playing a tune quite often.

I doubt that would happen if the keyboard was covered. That extra effort of moving a light object by a few inches is too challenging for tweens.


MomOfBegginners, this thread is discussing the opening of the large lid (over the strings) on a grand piano, rather than the lid over the keyboard. Nevertheless, what you say is possibly still relevant to that discussion. Maybe having any kind of open lid on a piano leads to increased inspiration. smile

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