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Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? #2373521
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For those of you with grand pianos, do you usually keep the lid closed or propped open. For either option, why? No particular reason for the question, just wondering.

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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373526
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I keep mine propped up on the shorter pole. (I don't know the right term for that pole.)

I do it because I compared the sounds of it fully open, closed, and propped up on the shorter pole, and I liked the sound when it was on the shorter pole better.

One side-benefit was that the kids didn't use the surface as a table when it's propped up like that.


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From what I've read when this has been asked in the past, most have it open when playing (to get the full sound of a grand) and closed when not playing (to avoid dust collecting). I will do the same when I get my first grand.

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Usually closed also while practicing, only open for visitors (looks nicer), last stages of practice and for recording (better sound).


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373540
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Partially open while playing; otherwise closed to prevent dust collection. I do not like the muffled sound when it is closed.

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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373547
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Whatever sounds best to you is the short answer. Most pianos sound muted with the lid closed, so the choice of full, half, or some will have a quarter stick depends on the room acoustics.


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373549
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Usually closed, for loudness reasons.

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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373556
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This question comes up now and again. It always reminds me of the story of the fellow who practised in white tie and tails - a bit pathetic.

I've never known a single professional pianist, not one, whose home or studio piano was open. In most cases, professional pianists keep their pianos completely closed, with the music desk removed and placed on top of the closed lid.

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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Karl Watson] #2373560
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My apologies if I raised a pathetic question. Just a question that came to mind and was wondering what the forum members thought.

Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373561
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At home ... Closed to keep the dust and the cat off the strings ( yep she has some fetish about the overtone series or something ... I got her from the Humane Society in Honolulu where they play Mozart all day long in the cat house to "calm them". She arrived at my home fully addicted to classical music and particularly the F major chord) .

And besides that closed lid, I usually play with the soft pedal to minimize noise late at night. Someday I'll have a home on acres of land where I can play at midnight with the windows open and the lid up and my feet using the pedals generously. But now I must exercise restraint.

In a public performance, for both visual and aural effects ... Open of course.

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Open, full stick, except when I know I'll be away from the piano for more than a day.

Why?

Why wouldn't I? smile


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373566
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Closed when I am not using it. Open when I am playing.

Practicing in white tie? I think that is a wonderful idea.


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Not playing: Closed and covered because of Txukka, Frankie, Pinkle Purr and Minnie.

Playing: Open on the short stick, because I like how it sounds and I can't lift the lid high enough for the full stick.



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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: malkin] #2373643
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Playing or not playing the piano is in the same configuration, open at the front. Lets some of the sound out, but our cats are deterred from going inside.

Once in a blue moon I'll open up the lid all of the way; way too loud for the same room it is in.


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373653
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It is really best to close a grand piano when you are not using it. This really preserves the piano from dust/spills/fumes contaminating the strings/soundboard.

I will elaborate Karl's observation with: If the piano is really good sounding in the treble-the piano can be completely closed with the desk removed from the case and placed on a towel on the top-and the treble/bass balance will still be good. Don't compensate for the reduced volume by playing louder. Playing the piano this way rests your ears.


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Re: Grand Piano Lid Open or Closed? [Re: Minicoop] #2373662
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I keep both of my grand lids down. Mostly for dust but also I don't want to warp the lids. Also, I have tile floor so they can be rather loud when lids are up. I am tempted to raise them when company comes to "show off". LOL


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I put a string cover to keep the dust out and keep the lid either fully or partially open. The string cover affects the sound only slightly.

I don't really like opening & closing the lid each time I play, increases the risk of dropping it and damaging the piano.


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There is also the issue of accompaniment. Vocalist often want the piano closed. Short stick is usually optimal for piano quartets or quintets. There are also differences in the sound. If you have a treble that screams in the home environment, keep the lid down or on the short stick. I think the intonation is better with the lid open.


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I was amazed recently to discover that my friend playing flute found it much easier to achieve the correct intonation with the lid on full stick.

Yes, the wing is heavy to raise and lower each time I play, but I find the sound revealed much better. It is too loud for the room, though.

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Open almost all the time, with frequent and meticulous dustings to compensate. My mics are on stands and booms, so it's easier to just keep everything set up, rather than having to reposition my setup all the time.


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If you wish to wear white tie whilst practising the answer is simply to change for dinner a little earlier than usual.

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Originally Posted by michaelha
I put a string cover to keep the dust out and keep the lid either fully or partially open. The string cover affects the sound only slightly.

I don't really like opening & closing the lid each time I play, increases the risk of dropping it and damaging the piano.



Michael, seeing that you are in the Bay area, where earthquakes are prone, you may want to consider that if the lid is fully open at all times, there is a greater risk that an earthquake or tremor could cause the lid to disengage from the prop and come crashing down. Just something to consider.

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Originally Posted by Jean Claude


If you wish to wear white tie whilst practising the answer is simply to change for dinner a little earlier than usual.


I am very informal and normally suggest dining black tie.


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There is no consensus, do what makes you happy. Mine's always open with the lid on short stick or all the way up depending on my mood. No string cover, I like to see the innards.


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I sometimes open to short stick because the sound is a bit better, but usually when practicing I don't bother. I keep the piano closed when not playing. I usually open it when there's company because it looks more welcoming.


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I have been known to play naked when no one is home. I don't put the lid up because I show a few of my models up there. The room has no shelves because poking holes in the wall lessons the soundproofing I spent so much money on so horizontal space is limited.

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On half stick all the time (now), and slippery with Cory's, to inform the cat that it is not a cat tree. Covered with a fabric dust cover at night. And as for fumes, I live in a house which has a kitchen door that closes, and which has a stove hood vented to the outside... and I see to it that both features are employed.

I confess, that when playing scales and warm-ups, I wear earplugs. Protects my hearing and reduces inhibitions about 'making noise.' The neighbors have already been polled to determine what they can hear, and have been asked to let me know if it bothers them. No takers so far.


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I keep my instruments closed and covered when not in use. But they are voiced to get the most out of them with the lid up. My harpsichord teacher once told me "no self respecting keyboardist should ever play with the lid closed." This may be a bit more applicable to a harpsichord than someone with a 9' grand in their small living room, but even then, why have something you never intend to get 100% out of?


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We keep the lid closed 98% of the time... Mostly due to music books left on top, plus my wife's decoration items... Kind of hard to keep the decks cleared.


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Fully closed with the music desk on towels on top almost all the time. It's plenty loud enough that way. I open it all the way just before the tuner is scheduled to arrive. Hasn't happened yet, but I'd open it if someone wanted to hear it that way.


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