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Kawai 'Virtual Technician' iPad app now available #2371804
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Good afternoon chaps,

A new 'Virtual Technician' iPad app is now freely available from the Appstore, allowing Kawai CN25/CN35 and CP1/CP2/CP3 owners to adjust their instrument's Virtual Technician parameters from an attractive touch interface.

https://itunes.apple.com/app/virtual-technician/id948579667

If you're an owner of one of the supported models, please give the app a try and feel free to leave your comments below.

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Re: Kawai 'Virtual Technician' iPad app now available [Re: Kawai James] #2371865
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I like to have the app for my android tablet and MP7/11 compatible. :-)


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Might be handy for CN25 owners since they don't have any sort of built in display, but unless it allows you to do anything you can't already do through the DP's UI, I don't see how this would be worth the hassle of plugging in an iPad.

Give the app the ability to precisely create your own touch curve graphically like you can in Pianoteq, and the ability to store, name, and easily recall presets, and you might have something useful.


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Re: Kawai 'Virtual Technician' iPad app now available [Re: Kawai James] #2371902
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Looks interesting, but why such a limited range of models? Surely all the CA models deserve such an app? Is this a test run before rolling out apps for other models? I definitely agree that this should be available on Android. The days of Apple monopoly on tablets are long gone. Everybody should develop apps for several platforms (at least the 2 leading ones), or it becomes an alliance that discourages competition. I don't like that.

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It looks like Kawai is analyzing their market. It's time consuming and expensive to invest in Software development on multiple platforms, Mac OS, Win, iOS, Android. So they'll see if there is any interest in the application based on how often it's downloaded and feedback from its users. If they find it's a desirable feature or what they call an "added value" and increases Sales of their digital pianos, they'll expand models and platforms. If it doesn't have these desired effects they'll drop it or limit it to one or two operating systems their data says most of their customers use. Generally speaking, the data currently shows that iOS users are desirable customers, they buy products, upgrade, and are willing to pay for good Software or features.

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I would certainly hope this app will soon support the MP11 (and MP7). Although it might not technically be needed, why shouldn't we get to enjoy the "attractive touch interface"? (And it does look very nice...)

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Hi James, first I'd like to give a big thank you to you and the other members of the Kawai family that made the MP11 possible. I absolutely love it and find it compares quite well to my teacher's Steinway and Baldwin pianos.

I'd like to echo the request for MP11 support. One of the main reasons I purchased an iPad was the community of audio application developers for it and that extra audio input + fader on the MP11 for a total of 4 layers. Having this app would be so much nicer than navigating the LCD screen. Don't get me wrong, the interface of the MP11 is well thought out but a touchable UI with instructions and diagrams really helps understand how the changes affect the overall sound. Even if it's only initial support for the Piano layer I'd be happy with that, it's the main reason I purchased the MP11 after all. smile

I have a few nascent projects with Lemur to attempt what is already done here by Kawai and I'm sure they know their SysEx codes much more comprehensively than ever could. I'd eventually like to be able to switch settings for layers and also do midi playback (piano player style) from the iPad.

The idea to save/load technician profiles is a good one and I think would encourage community support of emulating sound/styles of various other keybeds/instruments.

The ability to set the velocity curve for User 1/User 2 with a touchable curve, much like the adjustments you can do in software like Pianoteq would be wonderful:
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Thanks for listening and I hope to someday use this app and provide even more meaningful feedback.

-Brian

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Thank you for the suggestions Brian.

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Originally Posted by ando
Looks interesting, but why such a limited range of models? Surely all the CA models deserve such an app? Is this a test run before rolling out apps for other models? I definitely agree that this should be available on Android. The days of Apple monopoly on tablets are long gone. Everybody should develop apps for several platforms (at least the 2 leading ones), or it becomes an alliance that discourages competition. I don't like that.

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Why would anyone want to have yet another piece of hardware (ie: iPad / iPhone) to do what you can do on the MP11 / MP7 already? Touch screen capability or not, it just seems quite redundant to me.

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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Why would anyone want to have yet another piece of hardware (ie: iPad / iPhone) to do what you can do on the MP11 / MP7 already? Touch screen capability or not, it just seems quite redundant to me.

I had the same thoughts before reading this post. Agree. Especially MP7/MP11 have easy user-friendly interface and control. I understand if it is for young musicians that have digital pianos in traditional cabinets with tiny screens. But young musicians hardly have MP11 or MP7.

And of course I much prefer real knobs, sliders in MP7/MP11 to any touch screen especially in separate device.


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Also would love an Android app for the MP11, or even a Windows app for tweaking it via USB would be even better. Korg's got one for their SV-1.


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The iPad and other devices already play a big part in music production/recording/playing, and many of these DP's have MIDI controls so it is inevitable that people are going to be using tablets. Obviously you don't have to use the app but people who will be using their iPad a lot anyway will probably like the idea.

My guess is that Kawai is trying out a new product on a select few models, to nail down the basics and make sure things are working right. I would bet heavily that these apps will be available for the MP series DPs in the future.

But this is just my opinion, which is worth as much as anyone paid for it.

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Originally Posted by Joe Garfield
The iPad and other devices already play a big part in music production/recording/playing, and many of these DP's have MIDI controls so it is inevitable that people are going to be using tablets. Obviously you don't have to use the app but people who will be using their iPad a lot anyway will probably like the idea.

My guess is that Kawai is trying out a new product on a select few models, to nail down the basics and make sure things are working right. I would bet heavily that these apps will be available for the MP series DPs in the future.

But this is just my opinion, which is worth as much as anyone paid for it.


Joe -

Your guess is as good as mine (probably better!) as to what Kawai's business thinking is here ... candidly, if an MP7/11 app were now available that was oriented toward changing "virtual technician" settings, I'd not likely bother to download it. Just one more thing to keep track of, while the ability to change settings right from the MP itself is convenient enough (straightforward and self-contained).

Now ... if it could serve as a "library" to save/store custom SOUNDS and SETUPS and move them around the various button assignments (A, B, C ... 1, 2, 3, etc.) then THAT would be a great timesaver and superb backup support tool.

But for me, to be able to mess with the virtual tech settings on an iPad or Android device - even with pretty graphics - creates an extra step (= less productivity, not more).

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A quick bump to inform everyone that the Virtual Technician app has been updated to support the new CA97/CA67 models.

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What's New in Version 1.1.9

* Added support for connecting to CA97/CA67

* Added support for the following CA97/CA67-specific features:
- Smart Mode preset selection (including ability to store user presets)
- Undamped String Resonance page
- Cabinet Resonance page
- Half-Pedal Adjust page displays the current damper pedal position
- Touch Curve page displays the current User touch curve graph
- Voicing page displays current User voicing setting, and allows adjustment

* Added support for Quicco Sound mi.1 (Bluetooth LE MIDI interface) on iOS8+
- Owners of the mi.1 (sold separately) can now use the Virtual Technician app to adjust their Kawai digital piano wirelessly.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
It's time consuming and expensive to invest in Software development on multiple platforms, Mac OS, Win, iOS, Android.
[...] Generally speaking, the data currently shows that iOS users are desirable customers, they buy products, upgrade, and are willing to pay for good Software or features.


Does anyone have experience with Kawai Virtual Technician on an iPad simulator? Is it possible to control Kawai pianos from the PC that way?


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
A quick bump to inform everyone that the Virtual Technician app has been updated to support the new CA97/CA67 models.

Not for CA95/CA65 models too? Why not? I don't own an iPad so this doesn't really affect me anyway, but it does feel rather like existing owners have been abandoned... didn't the CA95/CA65 come out in late 2012, so only just over 2 years ago? It seems like the CA95/CA65 could actually benefit from this app more than the new models, particular with regard to user presets.


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Originally Posted by lolatu
Not for CA95/CA65 models too?


No, I'm afraid not.

Originally Posted by lolatu
Why not?


I don't believe the CA95/CA65 allow settings to be adjusted externally.

Originally Posted by lolatu
I don't own an iPad so this doesn't really affect me anyway...


Okay.

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...but it does feel rather like existing owners have been abandoned...


I appreciate your point, however 'abandoned' is perhaps a little harsh. I believe you're still able to enjoy your CA95, just as you always have done - today's announcement does not reduce its existing functionality in any way.

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Sweet! Good to see you guys so actively pushing the ability of Digital Pianos.

Any word on when CA97s are going to make it through the Long Beach port? I want mine!

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Originally Posted by Octaves_Up
Any word on when CA97s are going to make it through the Long Beach port? I want mine!


I'm afraid I don't have any insider information from this side of the Pacific. wink Please contact your Kawai dealer and/or Kawai America for up-to-date availability information.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Octaves_Up
Any word on when CA97s are going to make it through the Long Beach port? I want mine!


I'm afraid I don't have any insider information from this side of the Pacific. wink Please contact your Kawai dealer and/or Kawai America for up-to-date availability information.

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Psh fine! Haha, I kid. I'm just excited smile You can expect a new post (and pics!) on this forum when mine is finally sitting in my music studio!

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That mi.1 sounds interesting, anyone have experience of using it? Not just for this Virtual Technician app, although that sounds useful (I'd much prefer to use an interface like that than a relatively small LCD and buttons), but also whether this means you can buy a USB bluetooth dongle for a PC/Mac and have wireless MIDI between PC and the piano. There is no mention of it on the quicco website, so wondered if anyone here had tried it. I search for mi.1, but only this thread came up.

Or, are there better ways of getting wireless MIDI? I will probably have a few metres between my PC and CA97 (When it arrives), with a doorway in between, so cables would be less than ideal.


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tabber, I use an mi.1 with my Nord to control music apps on my iPad such as Module, NeoSoul Keys, and Galileo Organ. The latency is a little higher than with a wired USB connection, but with native BlueTooth LE and MIDI support in iOS, it's very acceptable.

The device can also be used with Macs running the latest OS X, however I don't believe PCs are supported.

There are other wireless MIDI solutions available, but they are more expensive/less elegant than the mi.1.

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Thanks James, will definitely considering getting one of those then :-)


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Highly recommended!

The Quicco Sound team are based here in Hamamatsu, they're great guys. I believe they're working on a USB version too.

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Originally Posted by bmrzycki


The ability to set the velocity curve for User 1/User 2 with a touchable curve, much like the adjustments you can do in software like Pianoteq would be wonderful:
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Thanks for listening and I hope to someday use this app and provide even more meaningful feedback.

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PossumES8SP280, the Virtual Technician app is currently only available for iPad, I'm afraid.

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Hi James, android has a pretty large user base too now, will there ever be an android version, and would it work with old gen pianos as my ca63?


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Bellicapelli, Android support is certainly something we are considering, but I do not have any concrete news at this time. As for compatibility with older generation instruments such as the CA63, I believe this is rather unlikely, partly because the instrument itself does not allow parameters to be changed externally.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Bellicapelli, Android support is certainly something we are considering, but I do not have any concrete news at this time. As for compatibility with older generation instruments such as the CA63, I believe this is rather unlikely, partly because the instrument itself does not allow parameters to be changed externally.

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I see. Then i'll fiddle on with the piano's lcd. Thanks for the info.


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Hi all,

does the app support the CS11 as well? Can't find it in the app description, but since the CA97 is supported this shouldn't be such a big deal (?).


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Originally Posted by mfranke
Hi all,

does the app support the CS11 as well? Can't find it in the app description, but since the CA97 is supported this shouldn't be such a big deal (?).


Cheers,
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Yes, it does. You can see in this link that it is supported by the CA67, CA97, CS8 and CS11 at least.

EDIT: In the official app description, CS11 is actually omitted, but I'm sure that is a mistake. The listed supported models are actually: Kawai ES8, CA97/67/17, CN35/CN25, CP1/CP2/CP3. I guess it hasn't been updated accurately since the release of CS8/CS11.

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Originally Posted by mfranke
does the app support the CS11 as well? Can't find it in the app description, but since the CA97 is supported this shouldn't be such a big deal (?).


Happy new year!

I'm 99% certain that the CS11/CS8 are supported, especially given that they share largely the same hardware as the CA97/CA67, but will need to double check for you when Kawai Japan reopens for business tomorrow.

The CS11/CS8 are indeed supported - we will update the AppStore description text shortly. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
PossumES8SP280, the Virtual Technician app is currently only available for iPad, I'm afraid.


hi James,
Android user here.
Please confirm the Virtual Tech app still works on iPad only, and NOT iPhone, if that's the case.
I'm thinking of getting an older iDevice to use iApps.
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Hello thrucomp, welcome to the forum!

Originally Posted by thrucomp
Android user here.


Nice. wink May I ask which device and OS version you are using?
My 'daily driver' is a Samsung S4 Mini running the latest CyanogenMod (RIP) nightly. It's a few years old, but still performs like a champ and is one of the last truly 'compact' phones.

Originally Posted by thrucomp
Please confirm the Virtual Tech app still works on iPad only, and NOT iPhone, if that's the case.


Yes, the Virtual Technician app is still currently only available for the iPad, however I am hopeful that this may change in the future.

Originally Posted by thrucomp
I'm thinking of getting an older iDevice to use iApps.


A refurbished iPad Air 1st generation can be picked-up at a good price, and still has sufficient performance to run virtual instrument apps. Try to get the largest storage capacity available - mine is only 16GB and that's quickly eaten up by some of the larger apps.

I hope this helps.

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I wish this app would support mp11, on my mp11 the LCD screen started flickering soon after I got it, and today it has gone completely dark giving me no way to control anything. If there were some alternative app for ipad or computer to provide visual display and control of settings it would solve the problem. short of that I guess I will have to look into expensive repair to get the LCD replaced

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Kawai James, can we leave feedback for the app here?

I wrote quite an extensive (believe it or not!) text about the app on my "Kawai CA97 - First Impressions" on my homepage. I think it's a killer app, but there are some problems, and even though I described the negatives at length, I still think it's a very good app (which says something about the good parts).

If you are interested in feedback, please take a look. I will make a very short summarized list here:

- Bluetooth notification every time the app is started, even though I use cable. A fix would be to just delay the notification slightly before warning about bluetooth. Pretty annoying, but not critical.

- Being able to reset a setting back to its default setting, OR just a text telling what the default value is. For example, "Default parameter: 5". Would be VERY helpful.

- Switching between profiles bugs a lot. Every time I scroll through them, it gets stuck and flicks between two profiles. Annoying, but not critical.

- Overwrite a profile or being able to update the current one. Right now, if I load a profile, then just want to switch one parameter and save it, I have to create a new profile with a different name. Makes it extremely unpractical to update saved profiles, but maybe I'm missing something here.

- Sometimes, loading a profile just loads part of it. It's been more than noticeable since I lower the key volume for G4 due to my sensor problem, and sometimes, even though the profile contains the correct parameter, it sometimes fails to load the key volume. (I know that because sometimes when I load the profile, it actually applies, but sometimes not.)

- Switching between instruments. This is the biggest problem with the app, and most likely a bug. I describe it better in my article, with examples, but short story:
When you have a profile selected and switch instrument on the piano, the profile settings remains even though it is not applied. I don't know how it's suppose to work (my guess is that the profile should reset/reload that instrument's settings), but I really don't think it's suppose to show one setting while applying a different one.


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Hello RickardNi,

Thank you for your useful feedback.

I have already forwarded your post to the Virtual Technician application team for consideration. While I cannot guarantee that they will implement all of your suggestions (and eradicate all of the quirks), I'm hopeful that the app will continue to improve.

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Of course I realize you can't promise any improvements, but if my feedback is forwarded to the application team, then it's more than I could have hoped of. Thanks!


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KawaiJames, I have some additional notes to my earlier feedback:

- I was actually confused by my own description regarding the Bluetooth notification, so I would like to clarify that there are two different notifications. One is the app itself gives a notification how to connect the instrument (it disappears by itself after a few seconds, but ideally it would be delayed until an internal timeout to at least try to establish a connection), the other one, which is the annoying one, is the iPad notification that Bluetooth needs to be turned on for the app to work.

This one is actually iOS itself that gives, and I'm not sure how the API works, but it should be possible to get rid of that one. It is a helpful notification for some apps that requires Bluetooth turned on to work, but since it's optional in this case for Virtual Technician, it would be nice to get rid of this one. It's quite annoying.

- The bug I described when switching between instruments is a bug! I mean, it was kind of obvious, but now it's confirmed that the behaviour is unintentional. If I have one instrument selected with customized settings and then choses the next instrument, the settings will still show the values for the previous ones, but closing the app and start it again will cause the instrument to resend all of it's current instrument (and VT) data, and thus, showing the correct values.

In other words, the workaround is to close and re-open the app every time you switch instrument, which shouldn't be needed.

I also want to point out that the MIDI data that is sent works fine in some regards, but not in others. If I enter the VT advanced settings on my piano and change the values, they are reflected instantly in the app. No delay, no incorrect values out of sync, everything works perfectly. But if I switch between the smart modes, the settings are not reflected in the same way for all presets. Some of the presets applies the values correctly, but some of them doesn't change them at all. I hope my description makes sense, because this is 100% a bug, and if needed, it's easy to demonstrate or explain it further.

Since it works perfectly in some cases, it shouldn't be an impossible thing to fix so I hope these things can be fixed in an upcoming version since it's quite annoying that you can't rely on the data shown in the app. It becomes very unclear what settings are applied or what settings you are storing when saving, if you understand.


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Thread bump to draw attention to the updated version, which now supports the latest CN37 and CN27 models.

ES110 support is being worked on for a future update.

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Another quick bump to highlight that CN37 owners should update the firmware of their DP to v1.04 (or later) in order to ensure full functionality with the VT app.

http://www.kawai-global.com/news/cn37-digital-piano-software-update-v1-04-released/

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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Any further news for Android support, James?


Not yet, I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Any further news for Android support, James?


Not yet, I'm afraid.

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Why is that James? We certainly have the tech now in Android that we didn't have 2 years ago. BT has come a long way in android. Why is there a hold out? Is it some sort of internal arrangement with apple? Is it lack of developers? Or is it just that Kawai doesn't consider Android OS a viable alternative for other reasons (non-technical)?

If you belong mostly to the android world, it is a heavy investment to make, and one that you will have difficulties integrating to your already developed ecosystem.

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Working in the industry, I can hazard a guess.

Building an app can be "easy" for a developer who is just aiming to get an app completed, and it can be outsourced easily as well. But that's often the shortest and easiest part of the puzzle, which then includes ongoing (perpetual) resourcing for maintenance, updates, integration into new product roadmaps and new FRs, etc. Google deprecates Android apps regularly because they don't have resources to maintain them, Apple and Microsoft have been known to outsource development of some app updates to interns on an as-available basis (e.g., remote control, minesweeper, etc.), and all of these huge tech companies, who could breathe out an app in their sleep, oftentimes forego creating a mobile app to complement their desktop/webapps due to these issues.

Kawai is a much smaller company, and I imagine the software development team that handles mobile apps is tiny. Plus, I imagine it operates as a cost center, since they're not making money on VT apps for their DPs. Spinning up to support a new platform would be a major cost and an ongoing commitment well past the initial "Steve here has 20% time to port this app to Android within the next few months."


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So we can guess it is basically lack of resources since there is not ROI on that product (sort of)

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Working in the industry, I can hazard a guess.

Building an app can be "easy" for a developer who is just aiming to get an app completed, and it can be outsourced easily as well. But that's often the shortest and easiest part of the puzzle, which then includes ongoing (perpetual) resourcing for maintenance, updates, integration into new product roadmaps and new FRs, etc. Google deprecates Android apps regularly because they don't have resources to maintain them, Apple and Microsoft have been known to outsource development of some app updates to interns on an as-available basis (e.g., remote control, minesweeper, etc.), and all of these huge tech companies, who could breathe out an app in their sleep, oftentimes forego creating a mobile app to complement their desktop/webapps due to these issues.

Kawai is a much smaller company, and I imagine the software development team that handles mobile apps is tiny. Plus, I imagine it operates as a cost center, since they're not making money on VT apps for their DPs. Spinning up to support a new platform would be a major cost and an ongoing commitment well past the initial "Steve here has 20% time to port this app to Android within the next few months."

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Its not really good enough since they said an andriod app was in development about 2 years ago.

A big company like them should have the resources.

I use Bluetooth on my andriod device with an app and it works great. Its a free app written by one person so if they can do surely a big company like kawai can do it!! It makes so much difference.

If they do not bring out andriod apps I will look else where when i come to buy another keyboard. roland has 2 great apps for andriod. But saying that yamaha has none for andriod!!


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Yeah, if they said they were working on an Android version but haven't produced, then they owe an explanation at least. I was under the assumption it was a de Novo question!


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Hello chaps,

I believe I previously stated that Kawai was investigating app development for Android and other platforms. However, I don't believe any confirmation or concrete release dates were given.

Currently, the Virtual Technician app is for iPad only. I would *personally* like to see this change in the future, however please understand that I do not have a great deal of involvement in the app development side of things.

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Hi James!

I also would be interested in the android (maybe Windows too) VT version, that would make such an upgrade on my CA97..

Still enjoying it, and recently exploring the many options that incredibly change the sounds to my taste.. but quite difficult and time consuming compared to other interfaces (like the cool touchscreen on the CA98 or Pianoteq), so I just wish I could have this option too smile

Additionally, as an off topic I use to move from flat every few years and I really find it a hassle to carry my CA97 with me, since it's one piece furniture and cannot be disassembled, it would be cool to think of some handles or cavities on it to be carried i.e. by two persons.. last time we hardly could find any spot to lift it up with hands... wheels option could be an additional cool feature, just a thought.


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Hello David, good to see you here.

Thank you for your suggestions.

Regarding Android/Windows support for the Virtual Technician app, I appreciate that there is quite a strong demand for this to happen. I will pass on your request to the app development team, however I'm afraid I cannot guarantee that they will be able to port the app to other platforms in the near future.

Regarding carrying handles, I cannot be sure, but the last time I lifted a CA98 (or at least, helped to lift it), the back seemed easier to grip than I expected. Producing an instrument with casters (wheels) complicates matters considerable, so is probably unlikely to happen.

Once again, thank you for your feedback.

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Hi!

Are there any plans for the iOS VT app to support the new Kawai models, in particular the CA78, 98 and NV10? I would consider this to be of much higher priority than fully reprogramming the app for Android. It would also be a very simple and effective way to mitigate the issues that have been reported.

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Hello arc7urus,

Originally Posted by arc7urus
Are there any plans for the iOS VT app to support the new Kawai models, in particular the CA78, 98 and NV10?


As I understand it, Kawai's touchscreen instruments (namely the CA98/CA78 and NV10) handle communications a little differently to previous generation models, which makes control apps such as the Virtual Technician partly incompatible. I believe the VT app may work when the instrument is using Sound mode (as the sound engine is the same as the previous generation CA models), however not in Pianist mode. And then there is the question about what happens when adjusting parameters on the instrument's touchscreen - will those changes be communicated back to the VT app, etc.

By all means, customers are free to try the VT app with their CA98/CA78/NV10 instrument, however they should be aware that the app is not officially supported by those models.

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I think the iOS VT app is useful only for those models that doesn't have touchscreen.. I own a CA97 and find it a bit of a hassle changing parameters here and there specially when just experimenting with no specific sound in mind.. but if I had the CA98 I guess I wouldn't be missing the app since the touchscreen would be acting as such.


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Yes, that's a good point.

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Does the Virtual Technician APP support the MP11SE?

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Hello Hr., welcome tot he forum.

Originally Posted by Hr.
Does the Virtual Technician APP support the MP11SE?


No, I'm afraid not.

The way the Virtual Technician is implemented on the MP11/SE and MP7/SE is a little different to other models.

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Originally Posted by David Izquierdo
I think the iOS VT app is useful only for those models that doesn't have touchscreen.. I own a CA97 and find it a bit of a hassle changing parameters here and there specially when just experimenting with no specific sound in mind.. but if I had the CA98 I guess I wouldn't be missing the app since the touchscreen would be acting as such.


In theory you would be right. But if you go to the CA98 and NV10 threads on this forum you will notice that the current version of the GUI is very far from being user-friendly and hassle-free. So, given the lack of bug fixes and improvements to the GUI for more than 6 months, the VT app would be the best option to configure the otherwise excellent CA98/78/NV10 models.

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Let's not forget the Android users.
Will Kawai produce a Virtual Technician app for them as well?


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Originally Posted by arc7urus
In theory you would be right. But if you go to the CA98 and NV10 threads on this forum you will notice that the current version of the GUI is very far from being user-friendly and hassle-free. So, given the lack of bug fixes and improvements to the GUI for more than 6 months, the VT app would be the best option to configure the otherwise excellent CA98/78/NV10 models.


arc7urus, please don't take this the wrong way, but may I ask what kind of functionality you believe the Virtual Technician app would be able to offer that isn't already implemented from the LCD touchscreen built into the CA98/CA78 and NV10?

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For James:
I use the virtual technician app for the past year w my Kawai ES 110. So this new app just for models listed?

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Hello Hotstrings,

Originally Posted by Hotstrings
For James:
I use the virtual technician app for the past year w my Kawai ES 110. So this new app just for models listed?


The app discussed in this thread (first started around 3.5 years ago) is the same Virtual Technician app that you're already using with your ES110. Occasionally the app is updated to support new models - most recently the CA48 and CA58 - however the core functionality has remained the same.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by arc7urus
In theory you would be right. But if you go to the CA98 and NV10 threads on this forum you will notice that the current version of the GUI is very far from being user-friendly and hassle-free. So, given the lack of bug fixes and improvements to the GUI for more than 6 months, the VT app would be the best option to configure the otherwise excellent CA98/78/NV10 models.


arc7urus, please don't take this the wrong way, but may I ask what kind of functionality you believe the Virtual Technician app would be able to offer that isn't already implemented from the LCD touchscreen built into the CA98/CA78 and NV10?

Kind regards,
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Hi KJ! This app is not about adding new functionality to the CA98/78/NV10, but to expose existing functionality through the user interface of a mobile device. The app also adds no functionality at all to the models it currently supports, nevertheless Kawai decided to release it anyway. Let me try to illustrate its value through a couple of use cases.

- Editing VT settings that have a per-key value, like Key Volume and Voicing. The app shows the settings per key as a 88 column graph and the value for each key can be directly edited. Editing these settings on the DP is cumbersome and there is no way to visualize the settings across the overall keyboard. The touchscreen adds no value. The app does.

- Viewing and editing presets. The app shows a one-page summary of the VT setttings for each preset and makes it easy to view and edit these settings. In the new models it is not possible to view the settings of a preset/favourite or even to edit existing presets. The app supports this.

I think part of the Kawai community would actually welcome if the app was extended to support not only the VT settings but *all* the functionality on these DPs, including
- viewing and editing all the setttings, not only the VT settings
- managing the presets/favourites. This means viewing the full summary of each preset and supporting editing each favourite.
- viewing and editing the pianist mode settings (character, resonance, ambiance, ...)
- selecting the sound mode instruments in normal, split, layered modes
- selecting the instruments in the GM sound bank. These can be selected using a third party MIDI application but not through the GUI.

And then Kawai could actually start thinking about adding new functionality that would only be available though the app, like the competition has been doing for a while. Such flexibility can be achieved if an external app is used, since the touchscreen software and hardware constraints would not apply anymore. Finally, developing and maintaining an app (or two separate apps, one for iOS and other for Android) should lead to shorter update cycles and to reduced costs since Kawai would not have to deal with the localized distribution of multiple versions of GUI firmware updates for different DP models on a global market...

Don't you think such an app would only increase the value of the CA98/78/NV10 and forthcoming models? Thanks!

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arc7urus, thank you very much for your reply. I think you make some good points.

Just to respond to some of your comments:

Originally Posted by arc7urus
The app also adds no functionality at all to the models it currently supports, nevertheless Kawai decided to release it anyway.


This is not strictly true. The VT app is very useful for Kawai DPs that only have a few buttons (e.g. ES110, KDP110, CN27, CA48), and actually provides a greater level of functionality than is possible using just the panel controls.

Originally Posted by arc7urus
I think part of the Kawai community would actually welcome if the app was extended to support not only the VT settings but *all* the functionality on these DPs


Yes, this is a nice idea.

I often make suggestions to the product planning and development teams, based on my experiences using instruments in development, and interactions with customers. However, I'm somewhat reluctant to comment further on what may/may not be possible with the VT app.

Thank you once again for your valued feedback.

Kind regards,
James
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Is there ever going to be an Android version of the App?????????


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I often make suggestions to the product planning and development teams, based on my experiences using instruments in development, and interactions with customers. However, I'm somewhat reluctant to comment further on what may/may not be possible with the VT app.


Maybe, someday, Kawai can eliminate the Menu and Functions on the piano itself, and use a SmartPhone or Tablet for such things. If, one can fly a quadcopter/drone with an iPhone, maybe, it can do the settings for a piano as well.

Just one less item inside to worry about.


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Originally Posted by EPW
Is there ever going to be an Android version of the App?????????


+1. As an Android user, and merely one of the humble 85%+ market share over iPhone, as well as an owner of one of Kawai's premium DPs, it would be really great to have an Android app, as I really have no idea what is offered in the iOS VT app and what I've been missing!


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
arc7urus, thank you very much for your reply. I think you make some good points.

Just to respond to some of your comments:

Originally Posted by arc7urus
The app also adds no functionality at all to the models it currently supports, nevertheless Kawai decided to release it anyway.


This is not strictly true. The VT app is very useful for Kawai DPs that only have a few buttons (e.g. ES110, KDP110, CN27, CA48), and actually provides a greater level of functionality than is possible using just the panel controls.

Originally Posted by arc7urus
I think part of the Kawai community would actually welcome if the app was extended to support not only the VT settings but *all* the functionality on these DPs


Yes, this is a nice idea.

I often make suggestions to the product planning and development teams, based on my experiences using instruments in development, and interactions with customers. However, I'm somewhat reluctant to comment further on what may/may not be possible with the VT app.

Thank you once again for your valued feedback.

Kind regards,
James


I do thank you for your feedback. I think we all share the goal of improving the features of current and future DP models. I also understand that upgrading the app to support the new touchscreen models may raise a number of conflicts. However, a touchscreen UI on a DP will not be able to keep up with a dedicated Android/iOS app. So, maybe Kawai will eventually start to look at the app as a value-added feature instead of something that is relegating the all-new touchscreen to a secondary role.

Just a short remark on what I meant by "functionality" vs "usability". The models whose settings are controlled via combinations of buttons/keys (like the CA48) expose its complete functionality through this (cumbersome) interface. This means all DP settings can be controlled this way. So, the app is not adding new functionality to the DP but only providing a different user interface. Therefore, the DP functionality remains the same while its usability is improved by the app. This statement will not be true if there are some functions on the DP that are only available through the external app, but I believe this is currently not the case. If the app included, for example, the ability to edit the velocity/touch curve or to edit favourites on the CA98/78 then that would be new functionality.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by arc7urus
Just a short remark on what I meant by "functionality" vs "usability". The models whose settings are controlled via combinations of buttons/keys (like the CA48) expose its complete functionality through this (cumbersome) interface. This means all DP settings can be controlled this way. So, the app is not adding new functionality to the DP but only providing a different user interface. Therefore, the DP functionality remains the same while its usability is improved by the app. This statement will not be true if there are some functions on the DP that are only available through the external app, but I believe this is currently not the case.

Actually, this is the case for some models.

For example the CN27 exposes only the Virtual Technician smart mode (=predefined VT presets) via it's own button interface. To get the Virtual Technician advanced mode, you need the iPad app.

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JoBert is correct.


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Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by arc7urus
Just a short remark on what I meant by "functionality" vs "usability". The models whose settings are controlled via combinations of buttons/keys (like the CA48) expose its complete functionality through this (cumbersome) interface. This means all DP settings can be controlled this way. So, the app is not adding new functionality to the DP but only providing a different user interface. Therefore, the DP functionality remains the same while its usability is improved by the app. This statement will not be true if there are some functions on the DP that are only available through the external app, but I believe this is currently not the case.

Actually, this is the case for some models.

For example the CN27 exposes only the Virtual Technician smart mode (=predefined VT presets) via it's own button interface. To get the Virtual Technician advanced mode, you need the iPad app.


Thanks! Did not know that. Does that apply to other models as well, like the CA48 or the ES models? But this means I have to agree even more with the users that are requesting the Android app. Or, as an alternative, Kawai could start bundling an iPad with its DPs for free :-)

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