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Re: 2 octave reach problem [Re: Polyphonist] #2369398
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
I'm going to write a Glissando Etude which involves five simultaneous glissandi, all separated by an octave - the performer will have no choice but to use the nose for one of them. whome
And in doing so, smash their forehead on the piano fallboard. grin

(Just curious - will the five simultaneous glissandi all be in the same direction??)


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Re: 2 octave reach problem [Re: caters] #2369400
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I think those are all playable if you can play a tenth, though, by recruiting the other hand. This is the sort of thing that would encourage me to find something else to play though lol


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Funnily enough, none of those passages in Kreisleriana ever confused me. whistle


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Funnily enough, none of those passages in Kreisleriana ever confused me. whistle

You're a genius.


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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Funnily enough, none of those passages in Kreisleriana ever confused me. whistle

You're a genius.

Perhaps.


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Re: 2 octave reach problem [Re: Polyphonist] #2369450
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
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The only reasonable conclusion is that Clara Schumann must have had three hands.

Isn't the nose the third hand?

Thought I believe that, because of its unique anatomical structure, it can only play one note at a time. Or possibly a glissando.

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I'm going to write a Glissando Etude which involves five simultaneous glissandi, all separated by an octave - the performer will have no choice but to use the nose for one of them. whome

I've already written the Glissando Etude - no nose required but bandaids are a must wink.

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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Oh yeah, looks like there are a couple nose-spots in there:

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We might be able to wonder about those being "reaches" if not for those wavy lines.

I mean, we'd be wrong grin ....but we might be able to sort of argue it.

With the wavy lines, there's no room to even start suggesting it.

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The interesting thing about that passage is the slur between each pair of Bbs in the LH from bar 4 to 10.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
The interesting thing about that passage is the slur between each pair of Bbs in the LH from bar 4 to 10.

....which, of course, isn't a "reach." smile

(But it is a bunch of other things, particularly pedal.)

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Indeed.


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by phantomFive
Oh yeah, looks like there are a couple nose-spots in there:

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We might be able to wonder about those being "reaches" if not for those wavy lines.

I mean, we'd be wrong grin ....but we might be able to sort of argue it.

With the wavy lines, there's no room to even start suggesting it.

There aren't wavy lines on the double-octave


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Originally Posted by phantomFive
There aren't wavy lines on the double-octave

Right -- my bad!

Except, I think it's sort of 'understood.' smile

(The alternative would be that Schumann's hand, or maybe the hand of who he had in mind to play it, like maybe his wife grin or Chopin, to whom he dedicated the piece grin grin .....was that big, and I suspect it wasn't.)

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Originally Posted by phantomFive
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Oh yeah, looks like there are a couple nose-spots in there:

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We might be able to wonder about those being "reaches" if not for those wavy lines.

I mean, we'd be wrong grin ....but we might be able to sort of argue it.

With the wavy lines, there's no room to even start suggesting it.

There aren't wavy lines on the double-octave


That's because it is avant-garde. You are supposed to have an assistant to play the notes you can't reach.


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The nature of the writing actually makes me wonder if he had the pedal-piano in mind. If not actually to be played on it - since there are rolled chords - at least he had the effect in mind.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by phantomFive
There aren't wavy lines on the double-octave

Right -- my bad!

Except, I think it's sort of 'understood.' smile

(The alternative would be that Schumann's hand, or maybe the hand of who he had in mind to play it, like maybe his wife grin or Chopin, to whom he dedicated the piece grin grin .....was that big, and I suspect it wasn't.)

You can play the top note with your right hand, if you can play a tenth. Actually I didn't realize Clara Schumann could play a tenth, but I guess so.


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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
The only reasonable conclusion is that Clara Schumann must have had three hands.


Indeed... It's the first thing I noticed the first time I played her music.
I posted this in December 2010:

Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
Clara must have had big hands





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Originally Posted by phantomFive
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There aren't wavy lines on the double-octave

Right -- my bad!

Except, I think it's sort of 'understood.' smile

(The alternative would be that Schumann's hand, or maybe the hand of who he had in mind to play it, like maybe his wife grin or Chopin, to whom he dedicated the piece grin grin .....was that big, and I suspect it wasn't.)

You can play the top note with your right hand, if you can play a tenth. Actually I didn't realize Clara Schumann could play a tenth, but I guess so.


I can play a tenth, but I would still be leaving out a note. I can't play an octave with 2-5, nor can most people even if they have large hands.

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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones


I can play a tenth, but I would still be leaving out a note. I can't play an octave with 2-5, nor can most people even if they have large hands.

I have small hands, but can easily span an octave with 2-5. But I can only play tenths with preparation, and only with my fingertips (1-5 of course). My last teacher, who had big hands and can play 12ths, can't play octaves with 2-5.

He told me that one of us is probably a freak of nature. We agreed to agree on that...... wink


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I can play octaves with 2-5, but I definitely cannot play Bb-D-D with one hand, although I can play A-C-C or similar.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
I can play octaves with 2-5 . . .

I can do even better than that: I can play octaves with 1-1 effortlessly, as long as I use two hands wink.

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