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2 octave reach problem #2368488
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I can't reach 2 octaves due to my hand width being 5-6 maybe 7 inches. However I have seen some pieces that require me to reach much higher than a major 9th with my 5th finger of my right hand while playing chords in the lower part of my right hand. I don't think that even a chiropractor could stretch my hand to the required width for 2 octaves without tearing the muscles in my hand and/or breaking some of my hand bones.

So how can I acheive this 2 octave reach in both hands so that I can comfortably play the moonlight sonata because that requires me to reach higher than a major 9th or even an octave + a minor 3rd(which I can reach but is uncomfortable to do so)

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Nothing in the Moonlight Sonata requires a 2-octave reach. There are a few ninths.

No one has a 2-octave reach. Anything written that way is either meant to be rolled, played with one note early or late (like a grace note), or shared between the hands.


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Two octaves?! No one can reach two octaves!

Where in the Beethoven "Moonlight" do you have to reach an octave + a minor third? In the first movement I see no interval larger than a 9th, which can always be played "broken" by those with small hands. There are also a couple of spots where there are chords spanning a tenth in the third movement, but those hardly count, either, since they are written as broken chords.

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Originally Posted by caters
I can't reach 2 octaves due to my hand width being 5-6 maybe 7 inches. However I have seen some pieces that require me to reach much higher than a major 9th with my 5th finger of my right hand while playing chords in the lower part of my right hand. I don't think that even a chiropractor could stretch my hand to the required width for 2 octaves without tearing the muscles in my hand and/or breaking some of my hand bones.

So how can I acheive this 2 octave reach in both hands so that I can comfortably play the moonlight sonata because that requires me to reach higher than a major 9th or even an octave + a minor 3rd(which I can reach but is uncomfortable to do so)


Two octaves?......how would you play the Moonlight........?? confused confused

Nobody can reach two octaves........even Rachmaninov couldn't........and he had big hands!

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Originally Posted by caters
I can't reach 2 octaves due to my hand width being 5-6 maybe 7 inches. However I have seen some pieces that require me to reach much higher than a major 9th with my 5th finger of my right hand while playing chords in the lower part of my right hand. I don't think that even a chiropractor could stretch my hand to the required width for 2 octaves without tearing the muscles in my hand and/or breaking some of my hand bones.

So how can I acheive this 2 octave reach in both hands so that I can comfortably play the moonlight sonata because that requires me to reach higher than a major 9th or even an octave + a minor 3rd(which I can reach but is uncomfortable to do so)


Did you mean to say a full octave, for example from one C to the next highest C? Most people can reach an octave, perhaps not immediately when just starting or when a child, but with working up to it over time. Quite a few can reach a 9th. 10ths are within reach of a fair number, but by no means everyone; fewer still can reach 11ths and 12ths. The key point is to work up to it, if need be, in order to avoid injury.


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Originally Posted by caters
So how can I acheive this 2 octave reach in both hands so that I can comfortably play the moonlight sonata because that requires me to reach higher than a major 9th or even an octave + a minor 3rd(which I can reach but is uncomfortable to do so)

Please identify the movement and measure numbers you are referring to..otherwise we don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. smile


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I think he might mean an octave in the left hand at the same time as an octave in the right hand? In which case, stretch laugh


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re: "Octave + minor third" do you mean that thumb and pinky play an octave and finger 2 plays a third inside?


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Why are people feeding the troll?


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By octave + minor third I mean an interval where the highest note is a minor third higher than a perfect octave.

And I am not the troll around here. I have good reason to ask a question or reply to something you are saying. However Polyphonist is saying shorter and shorter things and isn't really contributing much to the forum so he is the troll.

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Originally Posted by caters
By octave + minor third I mean an interval where the highest note is a minor third higher than a perfect octave.

And I am not the troll around here. I have good reason to ask a question or reply to something you are saying. However Polyphonist is saying shorter and shorter things and isn't really contributing much to the forum so he is the troll.

You sound like you're trolling because none of us can think of any music that has a two octave reach in one hand. And you haven't clarified by saying what your 'good reason' is.


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Originally Posted by caters
By octave + minor third I mean an interval where the highest note is a minor third higher than a perfect octave.

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Well, then, give us the specific measure where this occurs.

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If you are trying to reach such intervals while playing normal piano music, you're obviously doing something very wrong. You need a teacher asap.

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There are also a couple of spots where there are chords spanning a tenth in the third movement, but those hardly count, either, since they are written as broken chords.


You mean 30 bars after the second Volta in Presto?

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The late Andre Roussimov could reach two octaves. Unfortunately, his fingers were so wide that he couldn't play fewer than two adjacent keys at a time with each one.



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I once saw a photograph from above the keyboard the open hand of Erroll Garner. His hand has overlaps the Thirteenth C -A.

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Maybe you could buy a 3/4 scale piano to accommodate your freakishly small hands.

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Originally Posted by Damon
Maybe you could buy a 3/4 scale piano to accommodate your freakishly small hands.

I actually read an article once about pianos with smaller keys (not that small). I haven't been able to find it again.


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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Originally Posted by Damon
Maybe you could buy a 3/4 scale piano to accommodate your freakishly small hands.

I actually read an article once about pianos with smaller keys (not that small). I haven't been able to find it again.



http://www.smallpianokeyboards.org/index.html

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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Originally Posted by Damon
Maybe you could buy a 3/4 scale piano to accommodate your freakishly small hands.

I actually read an article once about pianos with smaller keys (not that small). I haven't been able to find it again.

This company makes reduced size keyboards:

http://www.steinbuhler.com/

About 11 years ago I had an opportunity to try out this one at S.M.U. It had its challenges for someone accustomed to a standard size keyboard, other than that there wasn't much that was different:

http://www.carolleone.com/78-size-keyboard/

Hofmann used a reduced sized keyboard with his special Steinway concert grands.

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