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Sibelius First or Finale Print Music
#2367611 12/31/14 12:06 PM
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I have been using Finale Notepad and am considering moving up to one of the paid versions above. I have a windows machine and will be creating sheet music files, and then am planning to either print them in the most convenient form, preferably only 2 pages, or I will be displaying them on a surface 3 (in tablet format, but surface 3 is a full windows machine).

Does anyone have a preference for Sibelius First or Finale Print Music. There are a few things I find annoying about Finale Note pad. Niggles are:

1) The second voice button at bottom left of page it too small and I occasionally forget to put the setting back to the 1st voice. there does not appear to be a way to highlight the section of the wrong voice and do a simple click on something to convert it. I have to erase the entire section and rewrite it.
2) The reach is too far to get a new note or other often changed function.
3) I want to be able to promote a compression of the music some what if the result goes to a third page with not much on it. And for music only with no words, I can see that the distance between the upper and lower staff could be reduced putting more music on a page.

I would also like to be able to increase the note size just slightly. I have been printing at + 4% on my printer, which makes the notes slightly more visible for my slight amount of cataracts, which helps and it only trims off the very far right hand edge, which I add back as a few lines at the end of the staves.

I also notice that editing on Finale Notepad and deletions in particular are rather kludgy. Maybe this is because it is a free version.

Edit: It would also be nice to decide for myself if certain settings, such as sharps(etc)/dots/ or ties were one time events or stayed on until mechanically changed by having to turn them off. On Finale Notepad they stay on.

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Sibelius 7 has solutions to all your problems.


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Another alternative would be Notion. I would download the free trial versions and see which I liked.

Personally, I wouldn't buy Sibelius, and that is simply because the company that took them over, Avid, fired the original programmers that were based in London, and replaced them with cheap programmers in Kiev who had no experience with the program, and who work for some global contract programming outfit, not the actual company. I don't much care for that sort of business practice, and think it ends up creating a shoddier product in the long run. But that's just me...

Finale's parent company has been through some troubles, too, but AFAIK, they haven't done anything as egregious as gutting the company of everyone who actually knows the program.

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Every time I see "Sibelius" I get all excited; "You mean he wrote piano music!"

Darn.


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Originally Posted by gooddog
Every time I see "Sibelius" I get all excited; "You mean he wrote piano music!"

Darn.
But he did.


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It ain't too good.

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Tuneless #2367848 12/31/14 11:50 PM
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The answer to all Sibelius related questions is "Tapiola," one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written.

As for the actual question grin sorry I can't help.

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I always thought it's a pity Sibelius didn't compose his Symphony No.8 on Sibelius, rather than on manuscript paper wink . I don't think he'd throw his Mac into the fire while under the influence of vodka, and feeling depressed....

He did write some lovely (as in imbued with Nordic gloom grin ) piano music, like his well-known Romance in D flat, Op.24/9.
And this:
http://youtu.be/GwXBExhZVGY and this http://youtu.be/DrPMX-Sh-tQ - with melodies that could have been in one of his famous orchestral tone poems, reminiscent of runes....


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Originally Posted by JoelW
It ain't too good.


Sure it is.


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JoelW #2368322 01/02/15 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JoelW
It ain't too good.
How much have you played?


Du holde Kunst...
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Tuneless #2368326 01/02/15 02:17 AM
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None.

But I've listened and read the score simultaneously. I mean, it's not bad. It's just a bit pianistically amateurish. To me, it sounds like a symphonic composer failing to understand the pianistic developments of the preceding 70 years or so.

Having said that, his violin concerto is extraordinary.

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Tuneless #2368783 01/03/15 02:36 AM
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If someone wants to respond to my original question, feel free to do so, I'm sure all these off topic people won't mind.


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Originally Posted by wr
Personally, I wouldn't buy Sibelius, and that is simply because the company that took them over, Avid, fired the original programmers ...

Finale's parent company has been through some troubles, too, ...


Wow, given all that, I'm glad I chose MuseScore.



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Originally Posted by Tuneless
If someone wants to respond to my original question, feel free to do so, I'm sure all these off topic people won't mind.


As I said before, you can download the trial versions and see for yourself which you prefer. If you are too lazy to do that, I can't think of any good reason why I should care.

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Tuneless #2369045 01/03/15 04:46 PM
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If one is already used in using a certain software (Finale in this case) I don't see much reason in switching.

Anyone telling you that one or the other software is better is being close minded, at least! wink Both programs can produce amazing software.

That said I really don't know about the cut down versions of these two, since I own both in their full versions, so I can't be of any more help. Like wr said just grab the trial versions and give them a go.

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I am glad somebody asked this question, because if it wasn't asked, I was going to ask it. Developments in my musical life last year caused me to "need" music notation software, especially the kind that can transpose stuff at the click of the mouse.

So, I took wr's advice, and did some searching this morning at cNet. Then, I went to actual websites. Finale looked really good, but I didn't think I needed the $600 version. Then, I was on the fence between the Finale versions of "Printmusic" and "Songwriter." The tipping point was the Printmusic feature that allows one to scan in scores, and work with them from there. Am I understanding "Smartscore Lite" correctly?

Then, when checking in to Piano World for my periodic dose of headlines and attendance-taking, I saw this:

Originally Posted by Nikolas
[...] (Finale in this case) [...]


Thank you, Nikolas! Coming from you, that means a lot to me! grin

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Yes the trial versions are coming up, but since I only have a month and other demands on my time exist, having a hint of what to look for is what I was hoping for. I am getting pretty proficient with Finales note pad. I'm copying over 2 to 3 scores a day of about 2 pages each. But it isn't until you have done enough of these that you find some odd requirement that shows up the deficiencies.

Thanks all for responding. When I have spent a month separately on each brand of the intermediate version, I'll report back what I preferred and why.


Cynthia

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Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
Then, when checking in to Piano World for my periodic dose of headlines and attendance-taking, I saw this:

Originally Posted by Nikolas
[...] (Finale in this case) [...]


Thank you, Nikolas! Coming from you, that means a lot to me! grin

--Andy
I meant that the OP was using Finale, so why change...

But, since you bring this up, I largely prefer the output of Finale, vs that of Sibelius. It's a personal thing that leads to much more work for me (since around 50% of the EMF composers are using Sibelius and I have to export in xml from Sibelius and import in Finale to edit), but I feel it's worth it.

Tons of examples can be found in the site in my signature.

But, in the end, THANK YOU ANDY!

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So, am I understanding "Smartscore Lite" correctly? That is, one can scan a score, Finale will read it, then allow a person to modify it?

And, while we are at it, what does "EMF" mean? I take it that xmi is a file format. Is "EMF" just a file format, too?


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Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
And, while we are at it, what does "EMF" mean? I take it that xmi is a file format. Is "EMF" just a file format, too?

Editions Musica Ferrum, his publishing company.


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