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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351633
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Ok -

your other post got lost in the succession of posts

I appreciate the Baldwin flange advice,

and that's about where my approach is now-

if I can buy some time with another assembly- I may,

I'm not tied to doing the work once for someone else, and then leaving-

I can have the old repaired at leisure and put it back in again.

If that's bad for business, sorry. I'm on a low fixed income.

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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351635
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Originally Posted by harpon


Hey that's a good quip or an assumption at best, but what would be your advice otherwise, and be specific. Because actually I'm trying to make this as simple as possible-
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My specific advice is the same advice you've repeatedly ignored in this thread: hire a tech. You say you don't have tools or replacement pins - a tech would. You can look up RPTs in your area via ptg.org, or ask a local music institution who they'd recommend to tune. I understand you're skeptical, but it's not that hard to find a qualified tech.

As for heaping sarcasm and scorn,

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I'm faced with the prospect of throwing money at someone who may be incompetent or know even less than I.


You certainly don't seem to be showing much respect for piano technicians in general.

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You seem to WANT "an idiot" to talk down to.


No, I want someone who acknowledges that perhaps the advice given to her by experienced technicians is worth considering.


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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351636
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Oh no - STOP please!

I've seen this attitude on so many forums.

You should get with the fiddle luthiers and have a Truly Snooty Party,
and try some non-election day!

I had a little fun with B&D above after he jumped all over one of my posts in another thread and called my pictures "lousy" and dissed my piano.

HIS advice DOESN'T COUNT now-

You sure are high on yourselves-
I've worked with mechanics like you in my younger days

and that's why I didn't make a career of being a mechanic.


Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351637
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I'm making an older piano go a little farther down the line.

adamp88 your first answer WAS sarcastic.

Fine IGNORE me

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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: Jon Page] #2351640
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Originally Posted by Jon Page
Then why ask piano techs if you are going to do what you what. You have your trusted expert at Howard. It your choice to be penny wise and pound foolish.

It is a waste of material to replace a whole butt assembly for a loose center pin. And once you get the butt, how are you going to get the shank out of the old one?

A tech can also point out other adjustments which need attention. There is a line between DIY and Over-Your-Head. What you are considering is the latter. Being frugal is one thing but being cheap is another which runs into mooching free advice and not taking it.


"do what you what"

What?

I happen to be a professional editor with a degree in Journalism education-

Go stand in the corner Mr. Page!

Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351661
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Originally Posted by harpon
I happen to be a professional editor with a degree in Journalism education-


Though I defer to your expertise as a professional editor with a degree in journalism education, I'm fairly sure that the proper ending for a sentence is a period. smile


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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351673
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The moocher of free advice stands corrected!

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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351722
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I had the same problem on two popular notes. I got my tech to swap them with the two top ones - I never use 'em. You could probably easily do that yourself.

Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: chopin_r_us] #2351731
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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
I had the same problem on two popular notes. I got my tech to swap them with the two top ones - I never use 'em. You could probably easily do that yourself.


He'd still have to swap the hammer heads, although that's certainly
doable.

Harpon, I love your attitude! I'm a curious tinkerer too!

thumb

Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: chopin_r_us] #2351742
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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
I had the same problem on two popular notes. I got my tech to swap them with the two top ones - I never use 'em. You could probably easily do that yourself.


Great idea really! the top trebles are worthless.
Ooops- just thought though- the hammers are different sizes up there.

Maybe I can find some matching hammers. Sure wish they weren't glued on.

Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: Paul678] #2351743
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Originally Posted by Paul678
Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
I had the same problem on two popular notes. I got my tech to swap them with the two top ones - I never use 'em. You could probably easily do that yourself.


He'd still have to swap the hammer heads, although that's certainly
doable.

Harpon, I love your attitude! I'm a curious tinkerer too!

thumb


I'm sorta just thinking it may not be a bad idea to have a few extra parts around. I can be spastic, and I've got a cat that lies to jump around too.

When I said that comment earlier about possibly getting someone who might not know that much, I didn't realize that piano techs were otherwise so organized.

What, do you have like a license or something?




Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: Paul678] #2351765
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Originally Posted by Paul678

Harpon, I love your attitude! I'm a curious tinkerer too!
thumb


Yeah, you both make a lovely couple. grin


HW


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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351776
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This is not a DIY question and answer forum. It is a forum for techs to interact. If you are intent of fumbling around with your piano go ahead. It will cost more to have a tech repair your bungled attempt. Replacing a center pin is so easy, I wouldn't charge for it during a tuning service call. Ask your piano tuner if they do repairs or can refer you to a tech. Call around.

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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: Herr Weiss] #2351781
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Originally Posted by Herr Weiss

Yeah, you both make a lovely couple. grin


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So do you and Larry King!!

laugh ha

Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: Paul678] #2351788
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Originally Posted by Paul678

So do you and Larry King!!

laugh ha


Larry King?!?!

For your info, I never did like LK; have nothing in common with that celebrity. But you and harpon seem to be in the same frequency, unknown siblings, perhaps. eek


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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351804
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Originally Posted by harpon


I'm sorta just thinking it may not be a bad idea to have a few extra parts around. I can be spastic, and I've got a cat that lies to jump around too.

When I said that comment earlier about possibly getting someone who might not know that much, I didn't realize that piano techs were otherwise so organized.

What, do you have like a license or something?



Yes, you can get a title called a RPT:

http://www.ptg.org/scripts/4disapi....ocument&DocID=121&MenuKey=Menu27

So in theory, if you find a RPT in your area, they should know
at least the basics. This does not mean, however, that all RPTs
agree on the best solution to all problems! Just read some recent threads!

I'll have to go with Bill Bremmer's advice (and the other poster)
that it would be best to repair the original hammer butt. Not only would a new butt look funky, but the regulation would have to be readjusted for that one note.

Unfortunately, working on pianos requires an up-front investment in tools and supplies. If you're only planning on doing one job, then it might not be worth it. If however, you plan on working on many more pianos in the future like me, then the initial investment will be worth it.

And like any other tarpit, the deeper you go, the more you have to
pay!

grin ha

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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351855
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This is a very difficult thread to read, because I keep thinking of the tech who may eventually get the phone call. Working with a customer who is confident but ignorant (literally, in the sense of "unknowing") is a very challenging proposition. Not every tech is at ease with that. Good luck to all involved here.


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harpon, why don't you want to repin the problem? If you replace, you will need to also make adjustments. Pianos parts are not plug-n-play.


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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: harpon] #2351923
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Harpon, could you make sure that the centre pin has not simply travelled sideways and loosing contact with one side of the bush. In my experience, this is a very common cause of single hammers being loose. If that is the case, then I can advise you on what to do about it.


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Re: Why would one hammer be loose? [Re: bellspiano] #2352017
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Originally Posted by bellspiano
This is a very difficult thread to read, because I keep thinking of the tech who may eventually get the phone call. Working with a customer who is confident but ignorant (literally, in the sense of "unknowing") is a very challenging proposition. Not every tech is at ease with that. Good luck to all involved here.


This IS the problem with this thread. I am not "ignorant"

That's arrogant.

I came here with a question, and then further questions, as I'm coming to understand a problem and explore my options.

But from the beginning, I am supposed to accept the verdict that I think this section may always have: Throw some money at a tech and don't bother the "official' here with any talk of other options or further questions.

So I understand that times are tough and expenses are up for all- another thread here shows sales figures and asks "What happened? Other threads I read here last week in this very section were lengthy and heated and centered on the vague concepts about who is entitled to say what.

Without further editorializing I just want to say that with a background in both education and journalism, I find the focus counterproductive.

Sure, I respect the opinions of those who may know. How am I supposed to know you? I don't come here often, and don't plan to into the future. Score yourselves a victory there. It seems as if some of you have chimed in here with that in mind from the beginning.

I'll ask my questions more in the piano forum section, or some other source entirely, and more likely get some advice without being called ignorant, or out of turn.

Thanks to those who have given me their honest insights. If I call a tech it is because of them, not because some cable guy wannabee insists on it. I sort of plan to anyway in general, but the more groundwork and understanding I have myself, the better for everyone-

and I'm not made of money. Mre people aren't these days is my 60 year old gut feeling.

I'm not asking for love either, but hey you've got to keep your love alive, even in Florida, Ratsoes.

No hard feelings here. stop trying to dredge them up!

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