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Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB #2346090
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In my last thread, I asked advice regarding a Steinway Model A vs a Model B. Having read the posts, I feel comfortable choosing the 7' grand piano. My preference is towards Steinway, not because of the name, but because I genuinely love the sound. However, having said that, Mason & Hamlin is a very close second as I do so enjoy the sound from the M&H Model BB. I am close to purchasing a Steinway Model B, but the cheaper/discounted price of the M&H Model BB is quite attractive. Can anyone offer advice/info/comparison regarding these two models, the Steinway Model B and the Mason & Hamlin Model BB?



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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346097
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I recently bought a new M&H BB. I love it, but keep in mind I've only had it for a few months. Things I find appealing:
1. The action is extremely predictable. I think the company is headed in the right direction using a carbon fiber action - it should be immune to humidity changes.
2. The bass is the most resonant of any of the 7 foot pianos I have played.
3. The dampers are well aligned for half pedaling.
4. I liked the tone more than any other piano I tried while shopping (I played over 100 grands at several different dealers including several I could not afford - new and used Bosendorfer, Steinway and others).

I've always enjoyed a good and predictable Steinway. Unfortunately, most of the Steinways I have played I have not enjoyed playing for a variety of reasons (uneven action, voicing, pedal weirdness or other issues). A new Steinway B was not in my budget. The used/rebuilt Steinways I tried (I tried a lot of them in various dealerships) I was not impressed with. About 10 years ago I had a 1905 Weber 7' rebuilt, and had nothing but trouble with the action and voicing and a zillion other issues. For these reasons I was inclined on new with a warranty from a dealer.

My only advise is to ignore the brand and before you buy one - try it several different days for a few hours each day in the store (with a variety of repertoire). You mentioned you genuinely love the sound of Steinways - are you set on a specific piano, or is the dealer just going to give you a random B? I've always been amazed how two identical models can sound so different in the same space.

Best of luck in your decision!

Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346221
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Well I think the Steinway B will look more shapely in your living room than the chubby Mason Hamlin BB. If you can find a Mason Hamlin BB that you love as much as the Steinway B than get the BB. If you still prefer the Steinway B and have the bucks, well then the Steinway B would be the obvious choice IMHO.

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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: benjamink] #2346229
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Of course, the new Mason BBs are just a different kind-of Steinway, nothing at all like the vintage BBs.

If I were seeking real Mason tone, I'd even settle for a Rochester BB.

However, if you really like Steinways, and who doesn't, I think that the new Mason BB is a very viable alternative.

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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346293
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If you prefer the sound of the Steinway B, only you can decide whether the extra cost(around double a Mason BB)is worth the difference in price.

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It sounds like you would enjoy either one of these lovely instruments. In that case, I'd recommend thinking of it this way, two years down the road will you be happier that you went with the better price, or will you wish you had gotten what you originally set out to purchase? Have you always had a vision of owning a Steinway, or has your vision just been of owning a high caliber grand piano? The only correct answer is the one that you will be happiest with now and (more importantly) in the future.

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The difference in price would amount to pennies on the dollar in the long run. I'd say get what you prefer.

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I wouldn't consider the price of a new Mason & Hamlin BB to be inexpensive. Less expensive than a Steinway B. But, hardly "cheap". And if you think of the Mason as being a substitute for what you really want, you won't be happy with it at any price.

So as someone above said, forget the name on the fallboard. Play a lot of pianos. Find one you love. At these prices, you should truly love what you buy. And if you can't say that about a particular piano, then it's not one you should buy regardless of what brand.

You are fortunate to be able to choose from among very well made pianos. Buy one you really can't be without.


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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: pianoloverus] #2346421
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
If you prefer the sound of the Steinway B, only you can decide whether the extra cost(around double a Mason BB)is worth the difference in price.


A Steinway B at around $92,400.00 is hardly "double" the price of a Mason & Hamlin BB at around $64,454.00.

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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: BruceD] #2346546
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Those are the Suggested Maximum Prices for the two pianos, which is just the beginning point for price negotiations (except for Steinway). A Steinway dealer probably won't budge on his price, while the Mason & Hamlin dealer will. Thus the OP could possibly get a Mason & Hamlin BB for significantly less than the SMP.

Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346553
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So, let's figure a 10% discount from Fine's SMP on the S&S and a 25% discount on the M&H, just for the sake of conversation. That amounts to $83,140 vs $48,341.

Todd, $35k is far from "pennies on the dollar" in the long run...

Granted, if you have the means, and it's what you like the best, far be it from me to steer you away from a good B. Are you considering a factory selection?


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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346565
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The bottom line is: selling a piano is hard and the risk is to have to take a considerable loss.
IF you have the money, BUY the piano you love and don't look back....

if you love the S&S sound, get a S&S and as terminal degree suggests... consider factory selection.
I went a couple of times close to sell my kawai to buy an estonia or a mason and hamlin... losing a significant amount of money on the kawai and not being totally satisfied with the sound and feel of those pianos that are actually in my reach right now.
I would always look back thinking... I should have waited couple of more years or something like that.



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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346566
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Originally Posted by kjherlong
Can anyone offer advice/info/comparison regarding these two models, the Steinway Model B and the Mason & Hamlin Model BB?
They are both great pianos. The best thing you can do is spend a lot of time with each one, and get to know them really well.

I agree with the earlier post that mentioned a difference in vintage BB vs new BB. My point to mentioning that is that there are almost three different pianos involved in the question you are considering.


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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346688
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Well, I agree with everyone here: you should buy the piano that better fits your dreams.
I recently bought a Mason & Hamlin BB 2013, new, after playing about 40 different grandpianos of its size, and can assure you I couldn't be more happy with my decision. laugh
One point you should consider is the modern composite material action that should prevent humidity related problems with your piano in the long term.
If you wish, please go to my profile here in PW, and you'll find pictures and Youtube links for my instrument (also search YT for MH BB). I hope it will help you in your decision.
Best wishes!


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Re: Steinway Model B vs MasonHamlin Model BB [Re: kjherlong] #2346734
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Get the one you like better. Since this will likely be a forever piano the difference in cost should not be the deciding factor.

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Originally Posted by LJC
Get the one you like better. Since this will likely be a forever piano the difference in cost should not be the deciding factor.
So you'll pay him the difference? I always like to ask this question when posters recommend the more expensive or larger piano.

I think the extra 38K-45K depends on the OP's finances and how much better he likes the Steinway. If he preferred the Mason there would have been nothing to ask. Almost any piano is a compromise until one reaches an astronomical figure.

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"So you'll pay him the difference? I always like to ask this question when posters recommend the more expensive or larger piano.

I think the extra 38K-45K depends on the OP's finances and how much better he likes the Steinway. If he preferred the Mason there would have been nothing to ask. Almost any piano is a compromise until one reaches an astronomical figure."

Why ask a question you always get the same answer to? Of course he has to be able to afford the difference. Why would there be a question if he can't afford it? Of course if one is willing to look long enough there are older but very good used pianos out there that will be much less expensive.

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Originally Posted by LJC
"So you'll pay him the difference? I always like to ask this question when posters recommend the more expensive or larger piano.

I think the extra 38K-45K depends on the OP's finances and how much better he likes the Steinway. If he preferred the Mason there would have been nothing to ask. Almost any piano is a compromise until one reaches an astronomical figure."

Why ask a question you always get the same answer to? Of course he has to be able to afford the difference. Why would there be a question if he can't afford it? Of course if one is willing to look long enough there are older but very good used pianos out there that will be much less expensive.
I don't always get that answer and in fact I don't think it makes much sense. Being "able to afford something" isn't just a black and white issue unless the OP is very wealthy (or relatively poor) and then he would just buy the Steinway no questions asked.

I always ask the question because many posters seem more than willing to spend other people's money. That's why such a huge percent recommend buying the more expensive piano whenever anyone asks. But if they had to pay the difference they might be in less of a rush to spend the extra money.

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The number of pianists who buy a great model BB or B and regret it are very few, whether new or properly rebuilt.

The one technical issue with a very few Steinway grands since about 1960 that will doom the piano from greatness is if the factory hardened the capo d'astro bar.

The standard advice to have any fine piano inspected before purchase by a technician should include having them determine the hardness of the capo bar. If when you take a small metal file and start to work the capo bar under the plate strut where the strings don't go and the sound it makes is akin to two metal files rubbing together-the bar is hardened. The repair entails modifying the plate. That is not cheap.


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You gotta go with what your gut tells you! Both are superb instruments.

My story... when I was searching for a piano I was comparing everything I played to my teacher's Steinway, which, I didn't realize at the time was a B. Nothing I played, not even the 6-foot Steinways could match that Steinway B sound I was looking for. Then I tried a M&H baby grand. I was immediately intrigued by the sound. After trying a couple other Masons in the 6 foot category, I was hooked on the M&H sound. Still, technical issues prevented me from buying anything until I played on what was to become my BB. It was the first BB I tried and it knocked my socks off!


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The new BB's from M&H sound quite different to me than the older ones (like a 1916 unless it underwent a total rebuild and has changed character). I agree with Karl Watson on this point. I'd lean towards a Steinway B or older BB but that 's my taste. The newer Masons have an overly aggressive sound imho.

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I have generally liked the newer Mason BB's I've played, but I lack sufficient experience with the "golden age" Masons to really understand how different they are. Though I respect Sophia and Karl's opinion on this.

Notwithstanding that, my own piano is a Mason CC2 from 1928, and even though I'm told that model was designed to resemble the Steinway D, I think it still really has its own voice.

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Originally Posted by RealPlayer
I have generally liked the newer Mason BB's I've played, but I lack sufficient experience with the "golden age" Masons to really understand how different they are. Though I respect Sophia and Karl's opinion on this. Notwithstanding that, my own piano is a Mason CC2 from 1928, and even though I'm told that model was designed to resemble the Steinway D, I think it still really has its own voice.

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I have said it before in the forums but that BB at college was a reconditioned vintage piano and I loved it. I'm sure the students have done it in by now.

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He's got a point... Why I postponed for a fear years my upgrade. Was thinking of a BB or a B if found at a good cost next year but what I really want is a vintage D. Will hold of for a few years and get the D, fortunately due to the size these can be found priced around the same or even cheaper then fully rebuilt B's.

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Miguel absolutely, if you can fit a D find a good used one, you won't be sorry. It sure made me happy!


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