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Piano chair with back support ? #1661326
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Are there any piano chairs with back support?

I currently use a classic piano bench, and it is very difficult for me to keep a good posture without a back support. I know I am supposed to sit straight without support, but I have chronic fatigue, and need to be able to sit back and relax every once in a while during the practice to prevent myself from exhaustion.

Would computer chair be ok to use or it needs to be sturdier?

Will appreciate any feedback.


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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1661374
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I use a chair. It's fine, just don't slouch and keep good posture and position.

Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1661441
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There is a adjustible piano chair I just saw for sale on Craigslist in the Seattle listing. Might want to check it out.

Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1661446
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I think anything without arms would be fine. I used to use a dining room chair to support my back. For some reason I no longer experience back pain at the piano, though (at least no more so than anywhere else), so I've returned to the bench. I would not want the chair to recline, though. grin


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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1661565
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Are there any piano chairs with back support?

Well, yes:

http://www.dlarch.com/Temp-attetude.html

...but I doubt that's what you had in mind....

Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1661577
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This is the traditional design. If you do a Google search, the best way is to look at images, and you will find a number of people who offer various versions. This was the first one that came up for me.


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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1661588
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Rich Galassini at Cunningham Piano Company came up with a piano chair for my uncle, who needed back support when playing the piano. You might want to check with Rich about where he got it. My uncle loves it, by the way; he plays 4-5 hours a day, and the chair works perfectly.

Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: Rank Piano Amateur] #1661749
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Even with a straight backed chair, one can still slouch if not focused on an erect sitting posture. And then even more, slouching invariably increases with fatigue.

As an alternative I prefer a lumbrosacral support to brace the lumbar spine and deter the sorts of back rounding. Specifically, I favor a lightweight padded nylon “weightlifting” belt typically found at a local sporting goods store that is stiff enough to slightly increase intra-abdominal pressure and to prevent the lower torso from “folding in.” Make sure that it primarily covers the waist rather than the hips. Be careful not to choose a purely elastic belt that lacks a degree of stiffness as that type will be useless.

The rational for wearing a belt when sitting is that the intra-abdominal pressure increases as your abdominal structures share more of the compression load with the spinal stabilization muscles. Remember, that lower back support is dependent on both para-spinal and abdominal muscles. Often, the state of the abdominals are overlooked in regards to lower back stability. During sitting, both lower back and abdominal muscles contract to stabilize the lumbar spine.

I started using a quick-release thick leather belt during the competitive bodybuilding squat & dead-lift years, and then started using thinner nylon supportive belts with Velcro closure for non-lifting activities. I’ve been using belts for 20+ years when sitting for long periods be it at the piano, while at work or when traveling long distances. On a long trip I won’t leave home without one.

Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1661782
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I wrote a lengthy post earlier today but I guess I didn't Submit it.

Just because you're looking for a chair for your piano doesn't mean it has to be a piano chair per se.

I'm in the market for a new chair since I cannot buy a replacement gas cylinder for my more than 20 year old office chair. (I've learned a lot of information in the last week regarding repairing and replacing parts on office type chairs.)

At any rate, office chairs come in many shapes and sizes. I'm now looking for a mesh type chair with a high back. Don't rule out office chairs for piano use; they're very comfortable and infinitely adjustable. The chair arms on just about every single office chair can easily be removed (or you can even order chairs without arms and save some money).



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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: Dwain Lee] #1662027
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Originally Posted by Dwain Lee
Are there any piano chairs with back support?

Well, yes:

http://www.dlarch.com/Temp-attetude.html

...but I doubt that's what you had in mind....


That is the most ridiculous piece of furniture I've seen in quite some time.


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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1662253
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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: Myster Keys] #1662290
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Originally Posted by Myster Keys


If one sits on the forward 1/4 of the seat the straight back will not touch the body unless one is leaning far backwards. And if one is sitting back to utilize the chair's back the legs and thighs mobility will be hampered.

Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1662310
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drum thrones with backrests provide lots of flexibility, e.g.:

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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1662466
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Just like Dave Horne I was using an office chair, without arms, but it had wheels. I looked at getting a drum throne with back, but balked at the metallic 'rock' designs. Then there was another thread on adjustable piano chairs and I was off, until I saw the prices. Ridiculously high IMHO.

I ended up, just like someone else on this thread with a dining chair. I tried quite a few, but it's smart, matches my (digital piano) and was one time user adjustable when I got it home. Oh, and a LOT cheaper than a so called piano chair.

Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1662485
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I am currently using a Roc-N-Soc drum throne that I got at guitar center. Here's a link to their page at Roc-N-Soc:

http://www.rocnsoc.com/lunar-series.html

It is the red throne at the top of the page.

I am using the "LSG" "O-K" seat with the "W/B" backrest. Very comfortable. I have a bad back right now (I threw it out a week ago) and this is helping me to cope.

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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1662570
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My old teacher for the longest period of time had a chair that could not only ajust height, but slope as well. One of her students broke it, but I would love to have someone make me one that could do that.


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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1663445
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I am currently undergoing Phys Therapy for an upper back issue (Rhomboid strain). When I sit at the piano for more than 15 mins I get an excrutiating burning pain. Part of it is due to having my arms in a somewhat static position of 90 degree bend for a sustained period.
So, I am wondering why not use an office type chair with adjustable arm rests? As long as just the elbows rest on the chair it should not be too intrusive and as mentioned above, most office chairs these days have multiple adjustments.

Thoughts?


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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1663450
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Cobra, when you play the piano, if someone were to flip your hand\wrist up and away from the keyboard in one swift move, would your arm fly away or be locked in place to the keyboard?

I only mention this to rule out incorrect gross technique ... using the correct set of muscles. If your arm flies away, great, if it doesn't that could be the source of many problems.


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Dave,
Thanks for the feedback. I've only been playing since May of last year and am mainly self taught. So, there are probably A LOT of Gross techniques! I have only recently started getting some assistance from a co-worker that used to do some instruction (mainly children). She has mentioned that I tend to sit too close to the piano.
I'd like to think My hands/arms are not that rigid, but I will check tonight when I sit down to practice!
Again, thanks for the suggestions and I will try to look for that inconsistency!
Cheers
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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: Cobra1365] #1663487
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Originally Posted by Cobra1365
Dave,
Thanks for the feedback. I've only been playing since May of last year and am mainly self taught. So, there are probably A LOT of Gross techniques! I have only recently started getting some assistance from a co-worker that used to do some instruction (mainly children). She has mentioned that I tend to sit too close to the piano.
I'd like to think My hands/arms are not that rigid, but I will check tonight when I sit down to practice!
Again, thanks for the suggestions and I will try to look for that inconsistency!
Cheers
Mike


Mike, that same fly-away trick counts also for the computer keyboard. You'd be surprised how many folks use an incredible amount of unnecessary tension\force\whatever to accomplish a task. I hope everything works out well for you.


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Thanks to everyone for your responses.

After searching online, I decided to try out some regular office chairs.

I tried about 30 chairs at the Office Max and found one that meets my needs perfectly. It is a mid-back manager chair. While being comfortable and cushiony, it is very supportive and not overly soft. The lumbar support is amazing. I am able to sit in it with my back straight and feel the good back support. Armrests are low enough. This is not a type of chair that I would want to use for chilling out in front of my computer though.
I am 5.4 and 140 lbs, and the chair fits me perfectly. My husband is 6' tall, and when he sat in the chair it was obviously too small for him.

"Glee II Mid-Back Manager Chair" $79

Here is the link:
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Maybe you might want to consider using the 'Switch to Full Reply Screen' and enter that link the better way.


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Back Chair is mostly seen in the form of round shape with no hand rests. It looks like a tight air filled balloon but it is designed by the professional by keeping some points in the mind such as long lasting, heavy weight absorber, comfort etc. Now days movable back chair also comes in market which give flexibility to move anywhere with the help of tier embedded in the lower potion of the back chair. So one is not bound to the desk or the slab of the kitchen one can move anywhere but in the boundary.

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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: tortoiseshell] #1752358
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I've wondered the same thing for myself but, as a traveling technician, going from one room to another at my college and in homes etc., I require something easily portable but, yet sturdy and not something I have to put together and fart around with every time too. And, something with good strong back support. I sit up straight usually. I need one that is high enough, not one that barely reaches key-tops. Perhaps even a tad higher than normal. I am 6'2". So far, I'm not sure about where to look... but, it just has to be easier on my back...


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I use an ordinary bench with a cushion on it. My back problems were solved by inversion using this:

http://teeter-inversion.com/



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You back problems were solved by...
The teeter?
Or by the model? smile

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Originally Posted by tortoiseshell
Are there any piano chairs with back support?

Will appreciate any feedback.



I'll pass on this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yYJ4hEYudE which I got from a similar thread on this forum about 2 years ago.

I followed up with the techniques introduced on this link, pursued the postural retraining and appropriate muscle development seriously. My comfort level is much improved. The comfort level of all kinds of activities, including sitting at the piano playing or tuning/regulating has really improved...and continues to get better.

As well, I bought a good quality drummer's chair as some have posted, but I don't use the back. Rather, I tipped the seat about 7 degrees forward, to help anti-vert the pelvis, as Esther Gokhale talks about in her literature.

Its working for me.

Good luck...and be of good cheer...an answer is out there for you.

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Re: Piano chair with back support ? [Re: JohnSprung] #1752808
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
I use an ordinary bench with a cushion on it. My back problems were solved by inversion using this:

http://teeter-inversion.com/



My luck, the straps would pull apart and I would land on my head or be stuck in that position forever and ever amen. smile Hmmm, land on my head. Maybe that's just what I need, a good bonk!

Seriously, interesting stuff here.


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