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Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: kippesc] #2341872
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Originally Posted by kippesc
Regarding the velocity curve, the most important thing is to map ~108 on the AG to 127 on the VST. Just clip those top velocities on the AG off when using it as a MIDI controller.


On the max velocity of 108 issue (and although the avantgrand manual says that velocity data is transmitted from 0 to 127), does it make a difference if you set the keyboard action to "soft"? (such an adjustment on my Numa Nero clearly makes it easier to hit 127).

Anyway, how much of an issue is it in the end? can you play (very) realistic classical, once the curve is adjusted, on Pianoteq only?


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Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: Charles Cohen] #2341894
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
. . . If you have software which gives more than 2 output channels,
. . . how do you feed all the channels into the AG?

First you route them separately to a multi-channel audio interface. Then you connect each channel to the amplifier input of the respective speaker inside the DP. If the DP doesn't have connectors for doing this: That can be solved by every average technician with a few $1 parts and a soldering iron.


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Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: JoeT] #2341917
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Originally Posted by jtsn
Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
. . . If you have software which gives more than 2 output channels,
. . . how do you feed all the channels into the AG?

First you route them separately to a multi-channel audio interface. Then you connect each channel to the amplifier input of the respective speaker inside the DP. If the DP doesn't have connectors for doing this: That can be solved by every average technician with a few $1 parts and a soldering iron.


Sure, and Yamaha is more than willing to honour the warranty on your new N1 when you make such alterations... wink

On a more serious note - you still have the problem of the placement of the speakers in the N1 might still make for a disappointing simulation of the multichannel arrangement (mic placement simulation) in Pianoteq. The N1 is a compact model with very small separation between speakers. I doubt you'd ever get a decently wide spatial feeling from the N1 no matter how you input sound into it. Maybe the stereo inputs are fine - you'd have to try it.

Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: Gigantoad] #2341992
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So, if we add an outer spatial system to go with the inner spatial system we will have two spatials fighting for supremacy. The parallels would remain suspended in animation upon the outer and inner spatials; thus, creating an environment both convoluted and sparse; which by definition is a contradiction; however, upon closer observation of the systems in question, one can only hope for synchronization.

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Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: Pete14] #2341994
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Originally Posted by Pete14
So, if we add an outer spatial system to go with the inner spatial system we will have two spatials fighting for supremacy. The parallels would remain suspended in animation upon the outer and inner spatials; thus, creating an environment both convoluted and sparse; which by definition is a contradiction; however, upon closer observation of the systems in question, one can only hope for synchronization.

+1. (I think).

Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: Gigantoad] #2344520
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Sorry to be so late to this post, but would someone please provide a brief explanation of what it means to "blend" Pianoteq (or the like) with the AG internal sound.


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Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: fntms] #2344807
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Originally Posted by fntms
Originally Posted by kippesc
Regarding the velocity curve, the most important thing is to map ~108 on the AG to 127 on the VST. Just clip those top velocities on the AG off when using it as a MIDI controller.


On the max velocity of 108 issue (and although the avantgrand manual says that velocity data is transmitted from 0 to 127), does it make a difference if you set the keyboard action to "soft"? (such an adjustment on my Numa Nero clearly makes it easier to hit 127).

Anyway, how much of an issue is it in the end? can you play (very) realistic classical, once the curve is adjusted, on Pianoteq only?


I was able to try the midi output at a shop: on the N2 the max velocity stays at 107 even if touch sensitivity is "soft". Minimum is 7, quite easy to reach consistently.

I compared with the midi output from the SH silent system on a C1X: max velocity is 125 (not too hard to reach), minimum is about 10 (harder to reach consistently than on the N2). Adjusting the sensitivity to "soft" made it a bit easier to hit the max velocity.
In practice, I'm not sure if SH would be much easier to use as a midi master keyboard for Pianoteq than the N2...


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Re: AvantGrand N1 + VST [Re: Gigantoad] #2344840
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I have the same problem with my Clavinova. It tops out at 108. There's nothing to be done for it ... though it really doesn't present a problem.

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