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Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? #106396
07/13/06 10:57 AM
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Yesterday, I saw a brand new "Ed Seiler " 180 grand at a Parisian dealer.

Not a bad piano. Any information and comments ? What relation to Seiler pianos ???

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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? #106397
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Pianos which carry or display the manufacturer's owner/founder - previous or present - are often no more than a marketing thing.

Best to ask the dealer of such brand what the story happens to be -
few outsider could help you here.

Perhaps it is a piano they take special pride in with some special finishing touches - or it could be a new type commemorative edition - again you need to ask your dealer....

Strange, he didn't point something out when you looked at the piano.....

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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? #106398
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Thanks Norbert

I didn't ask as I don't always trust dealers in this kind of situation. Moreover the piano was heavily discounted...

Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? #106399
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Ed Seiler on the fallboard I believe is an older piano.Perhaps they had one in stock and sold it to the dealer at a discounted price. You might check the serial number to find the true age.

Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? #106400
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All you have to do is go to Seiler.com and ask directly from the manufacturer.

Seiler will tell you exactly what you are looking at, and if you are in Paris, you can travel right to the factory in Kitzengen Germany and check things out for yourself, about a Two hour trip by train.

Seiler is one of the best if not the best, it is an awesom piano.


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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? #106401
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I have seen quite a few Ed Seilers on the used market in Sweden. As there are lots of German and Swedish pianos in Sweden I would suspect that "Ed Seiler" is the same as the German "Seiler". It is less likely that it is a Swedish brand. Swedish manufacturers made excellent uprights, that are among the best, but only decent grands.


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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: serge1paris] #2338674
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I have a Seiler 206 from the 1980's which touts the fact that it is made in Germany and has a Renner action. Many of the more modern brand names in the Seiler family (since the Samick takeover) are made in Indonesia. I don't know the quality differences. If it is heavily discounted, it is probably an Asian piano.


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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: topdog] #2338698
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Seiler is one of the best if not the best, it is an awesom piano. [/quote]

They are good pianos. Of that there is no doubt. "The best"- I would take some convincing.


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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: gynnis] #2338720
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Originally Posted by gynnis
I have a Seiler 206 from the 1980's which touts the fact that it is made in Germany and has a Renner action. Many of the more modern brand names in the Seiler family (since the Samick takeover) are made in Indonesia. I don't know the quality differences. If it is heavily discounted, it is probably an Asian piano.
Hello gynnis. You're replying to an 8 year old thread that pre-dates Seiler - Samick partnership. The advice given at that time was sound. Today, Ed Seiler does mean something different, but historically, many Seiler pianos had Ed.Seiler on the front.


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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2343220
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[/quote] Hello gynnis. You're replying to an 8 year old thread that pre-dates Seiler - Samick partnership. The advice given at that time was sound. Today, Ed Seiler does mean something different, but historically, many Seiler pianos had Ed.Seiler on the front. [/quote]

Is the Ed Seiler series still produced?
If nowadays this name means something different, what does it mean?

I found out from http://www.seiler-pianos.de/ that there are three varieties of Seilers uprights and grands: Seiler, Edvard Seiler, and Johanes Seiler.

They says that Johanes Seiler has "a reasonable price" because of "Chosen materials and an elaborate process of producing".
May it simply means lower prices, and cheaper prouction costs in Indonesia?

Eduard Selier is described as "From all over the world for all over the world" and it is pretty clear that Samick factory make them, I guess.

Verticals and grands with Seiler logo are also available on Samick official website. May it means that they are produced in Indonesia?
Seiler's official website declares that instruments with Seiler logo are totaly German made.

Could anyone clarify it to me?
Thank you in advance.



Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: serge1paris] #2343577
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Those with long memories will remember when the internet was being touted as the 'information super-highway' where anything you wanted to know was available at your fingertips. Well I have just had a look at the Seiler website and amid all the blather about their 160 years of fine craftsmanship, use of the finest materials etc, etc, you will find (at least so far as I could see) no mention of the fact that a large proportion of their manufacturing is outsourced to Asia and no mention of the name Samick. So much for the information super-highway.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that nobody seems to have thought of re-naming a town in Korea (or Indonesia or wherever) Kitzingen. This would enable the marketing men to write 'All Seiler pianos are lovingly crafted in Kitzingen. Kitzingen is a small town in Germany with a tradition of fine piano making stretching back over 160 years.....'




Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: Jean Claude] #2343615
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Originally Posted by Jean Claude

Those with long memories will remember when the internet was being touted as the 'information super-highway' where anything you wanted to know was available at your fingertips. Well I have just had a look at the Seiler website and amid all the blather about their 160 years of fine craftsmanship, use of the finest materials etc, etc, you will find (at least so far as I could see) no mention of the fact that a large proportion of their manufacturing is outsourced to Asia and no mention of the name Samick. So much for the information super-highway.

You have to admit, the internet is still an information superhighway. There's a ton of information on there - just some parts of the highway need some work. There's no doubt that the internet has delivered on its ambition to connect the world - and then some. The fact that it's flawed is to be expected - it always will be because it's largely self-moderated and is the sum total of billions of different interests and ambitions. It is what it is.

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Actually, I'm a bit surprised that nobody seems to have thought of re-naming a town in Korea (or Indonesia or wherever) Kitzingen. This would enable the marketing men to write 'All Seiler pianos are lovingly crafted in Kitzingen. Kitzingen is a small town in Germany with a tradition of fine piano making stretching back over 160 years.....'


Well, they wouldn't want to be dishonest. They'd have to say "Kitzingen sometimes refers to a small town in Germany with a tradition of fine piano making stretching back over 160 years....." At other times it is a town in South Korea, home of Samick Music Corporation. We leave it to the customer to decide which one is making these particular Samick pianos..." wink

Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: serge1paris] #2343640
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For questions like this (even aged ones) I go to the piano information source - Piano Buyer

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Re: Differences between "Ed Seiler" pianos and "Seiler "pianos ??? [Re: Steve Cohen] #2343736
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Originally Posted by Steve Cohen
For questions like this (even aged ones) I go to the piano information source - Piano Buyer

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Well yes....me too, but it is not hard to imagine that there may be buyers who don't know about pianobuyer or PW, perhaps they are nave, perhaps they don't speak English, perhaps they have been told by some salesman that they are looking at a fine German piano and have gone to the maker's website to reassure themselves, in any case they are not going to get much verit at seiler.com.


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