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Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD
Marko in Boston #2341229 10/25/14 02:18 AM
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Hey!

I thought I'd post a rough-in of some musical ideas, recording directly into my DAW with my MP7 piano patch and strings unedited. This is usually how I start something even if it morphs into something quite different using virtual instruments to arrange and lots of editing.

I'll call it The Forgotten Hymn.

Just click on the Box.com link below to give it a listen.


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Marko in Boston #2341427 10/25/14 08:22 PM
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Hello all,

Well the 3.5 month wait was worth it and today was my first chance to play the mp7 with a band. Mostly it was great and everyone was happy with the sounds. Sadly, my mono expression pedal didn't work well with the unit. Tried hooking it up in line through the outputs, but didn't get enough volume - so I kept adjusting volume with my third hand. Does anyone have a recommendation on a suitable expression pedal? Would I need a stereo pedal with a TRS plug? This is the first band I've played with so my ignorance is staggering. Something like this? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-fv-500l-stereo-volume-pedal

The other issue was that the sound output of the tonewheel organs was hugely greater than any of the other pre-set sounds - so I couldn't set a base volume to the mixer - is this something fixed with the software update (which I haven't gotten to yet)?

Also, but manual states that tonewheel organ mode can only be accessed in the main zone - but one of the dual organ setups seems to have tonewheel organs as upper and lower (which is good) I'm just wondering how.

Man, I have so many questions, but I'll pace myself. A setup sharing site/thread would be wonderful.

Caroline




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Hello Mistaya, glad to read you are enjoying your new MP7.

To answer your queries:

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Does anyone have a recommendation on a suitable expression pedal?


The Yamaha FC7 is one of the most popular pedals, and works well with the MP7.



Unfortunately, the BOSS/Roland pedals use a slight different wiring specification, and are therefore not recommended for use with the Kawai.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
The other issue was that the sound output of the tonewheel organs was hugely greater than any of the other pre-set sounds


Are you referring to the preset SOUNDs or preset SETUPs?

Where do you typically have the 'MAIN' zone volume fader set?
Is it possible to create a video demonstrating this difference in volume, or just provide step by step instructions for reproducing what you experience?

Originally Posted by Mistaya
...is this something fixed with the software update (which I haven't gotten to yet)?

[quote=Mistaya]Also, but manual states that tonewheel organ mode can only be accessed in the main zone


Correct. The DRAWBAR 1/2/3 sounds use the tonewheel organ mode (which for technical reasons is only possible on the MAIN zone) while the other organ sounds use standard PCM sampling and can be assigned to any zone.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
but one of the dual organ setups seems to have tonewheel organs as upper and lower (which is good) I'm just wondering how.


Do you recall which preset? It's likely that one the upper is a TW organ, while the lower is a sampled (or viceversa).

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Man, I have so many questions, but I'll pace myself.


Keep them coming!

Originally Posted by Mistaya
A setup sharing site/thread would be wonderful.


Agree, however I don't have the time to set something up properly at the moment, so recommend that users post their custom sounds (as text, or with a link to the downloadable 'SOUND'/'SETUP' file) here, or on the Kawai MP facebook page.

In my opinion, a SETUP sharing site will only be successful if users are inspired to contribute their custom sounds, but so far I have only seen a handful of suggestions from MP users.

Cheers,
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Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD
Marko in Boston #2341543 10/26/14 08:10 AM
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Hi guys:
I've had the chance(after some month waiting for that)yesterday to test the MP7 and MP11 in one of the biggest piano shop in paris.(centre chopin)

I did that during 2 hours.
The guy at the shop was very kind and competent.

I started to play on the MP7.
I owned so many nords and roland/yam/korg..but never owned a kawai.

The keybed is really a joy to play.
I was familiar with it on the first seconds.
I love it!
No problem against my rd800 or my cp4.

After that i've played all the piano sounds:
So good to play,a very natural sound.
A great connection with the keybed.
I would love to play these piano sounds at home.

Here comes the ep presets:
-good,but a little delusion on the rhodes:
Nothing to compare with my cp4 and RD800.
Kawai is less for that.
well,it´s not so bad...but not in the high level like the best of korg/roland/yamaha.. and nord.

When you play kawai piano sounds,you know you're on top in this range of instrument,for the rhodes it´s not the case.
The wurlitzer was quite good,i had a better feeling with it.

A good surprise:
The organ virtual engine is really interesting.I played with the presets,tweaked the drawbars..that's really efficient and good for a stage piano.

I've played some others sounds quickly..but didn't spend a lot of time because keyboards sounds are most important for me than general purpose sounds(quite good but less than the best synthetizers i've had.


Some words about the hardware:
Beautiful!
solid keybed,solid metal...wood panels...ergonomy is very good too.
Far better than my CP4(for example)

My final though is clear:
At this price a superb instrument and a joy to play!
Yes because one of the best performance from kawai is all you have in the box for the price.
Kawai team must be proud with this product.

After spending 2/3 of my time on the MP7,i went on the MP11.
What a beautiful wooden keybed..the connection with the piano sounds is just the better we can feel for this kind of instrument.

Finally,i know there is a little voice in me who appeals a Mp11..
The problem is the weight because i'm a live player,often on stage.
That's not the case with the Mp7,less heavy.

Brrrrr,my brain is on fire.
(the best for the pianist..but as a rhodes lover a little delusion and it's a problem for me...etc etc)
I will think again about all that i let's see!

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lekanout #2341567 10/26/14 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lekanout
Here comes the ep presets:
-good,but a little delusion on the rhodes:
Nothing to compare with my cp4 and RD800.
Kawai is less for that.
well,it´s not so bad...but not in the high level like the best of korg/roland/yamaha.. and nord.

When you play kawai piano sounds,you know you're on top in this range of instrument,for the rhodes it´s not the case.
...
Brrrrr,my brain is on fire.
(the best for the pianist..but as a rhodes lover a little delusion and it's a problem for me...

If you get an opportunity to try it again, check the thread at

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2313379

where I posted some adjustments that make the Rhodes sound much more like on the Korg SV1.

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thanks anotherscott.

I was in the topic for the eps,and gave some off my thoughs.

Because the kawai is well done i've tried some tweaking with the rhodes(the different amp,and some drive tweaking)
I didn´t have time to find a great connection as good as my roland and yam.
Because i am an experienced user,i know if i have the kawai at home i will do better.
The kawai isn't bad yes and i know that.

But i can tell you for example the new rhodes from the rd 800(4 types)seems for me instantly at another level.
And a big advantage of the roland is the tone color function:
You can tweak the effects,and change directly one of the 4 types of rhodes without modify your effects settings.
And you can morph the 4 different type of rhodes between us.
There are more parameters too.
Not so many people seems to know the rd800 eps.
Not so many people are speaking about that in forums.

But they are totally new(not available in the 700nx or the last series)and it,s a big step.
It would be interesting for you to try it(if you didn't do that yet)and give us a feedback.

We are not always agree about all the feelings we have playing these keyboard(even if all these contenders are great keyboards,nothing is really bad now)but it's always pleasant to share with kind people like you and the others..

All i' ve said about my kawai try is spontaneous..maybe not completly objective.


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Marko in Boston #2341582 10/26/14 10:46 AM
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Quick question:

Can you use pianoteq software with Mp7/Mp11?

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sirwormsalot #2341657 10/26/14 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sirwormsalot
Quick question:

Can you use pianoteq software with Mp7/Mp11?


I don't own an MP7 or MP11, but I can answer this quickly and easily -- yes.
PianoTeq and pretty much any software piano will work with any keyboard that supports a midi connection to a computer.


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Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD
Kawai James #2341662 10/26/14 02:26 PM
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Thanks, James.
I'll try the yamaha pedal.

It's the presets that are significantly louder all across the board, but particularly the tonewheel organs. I can tune them down each individually, but we were trying different sounds and setups through the sound system. We'd set the levels using one of the sounds, eg. 3-1-C and then when trying a setup (3-1D) it would then blast through - I'd have to toggle the volume slider down from 1/2 to almost nothing. I guess they are individually adjustable - and I'd adjust my own setup volumes in edit (sound). I'm just wondering why the difference. Playing with headphones I'm usually at 1/3 or less. Zone sliders are around 1/4 to 1/3 depending.

The dual organ mode was rock 1 dual. It worked not too badly for Samba Pa Ti. Is there a list that gives more detail about the presets - what they are built from?- I can see the tonewheel settings when hitting SW2, but don't know what the other organ is. Will try AnotherScott's tweaks for Rhodes and Wurly later today. A very versatile keyboard!

cheers,
Caroline

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Marko in Boston #2341770 10/26/14 07:44 PM
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Mistaya, I will try to check the different organ SETUP volume levels later.

Kind regards,
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Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD
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lekanout, thank you for sharing your thoughts about the MP7 and MP11. I'm glad you enjoyed playing these latest instruments.

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Mistaya,

I just checked the MP7, alternating between the different drawbar organ SETUPs (e.g. 3-1-C/3-1-D), but did not notice a change in volume.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
We'd set the levels using one of the sounds, eg. 3-1-C and then when trying a setup (3-1D) it would then blast through.


Please remember that SETUPs contain their own, independent volume control. If you adjust the volume of one factory SETUP, then switch to another, there may well be a jump in volume, because the adjustments will not carry over. My suggestion would be to select each SETUP you intend to use, adjust the volume as necessary, then store it back to the memory. You're also obviously free to tweak or create your own SETUPs if desired.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Zone sliders are around 1/4 to 1/3 depending.


Don't forget that, when the tonewheel edit screen is show, the faders will adjust the drawbars only, not the volume of the actually zone. You'll need to press the SW2 button (or EXIT button a couple of times) to return to the main playing screen in order for the zone fader to adjust the zone's volume.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
The dual organ mode was rock 1 dual. It worked not too badly for Samba Pa Ti.


Yes, I tried that too...it's quite a cool sound.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Is there a list that gives more detail about the presets - what they are built from?- I can see the tonewheel settings when hitting SW2, but don't know what the other organ is.


There's no publicly available list, I'm afraid. However, it should be possible to see which sound is assigned to each zone by pressing and holding each F1~F4 button.
Then, if you press the EDIT button, you're able to see which sound is assigned to the current zone by checking the lit LEDs. As for other settings, these can be checked by going through the various EDIT menus.

I hope this helps.

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lekanout, thank you for sharing your thoughts about the MP7 and MP11. I'm glad you enjoyed playing these latest instruments.


Thanks for the kinds words james.
In fact i was so surprised by the mp7 price considering all it offers.
There is no doubt it's the best on the market at this price.


Just a confirmation james:
Are all the keyboards sounds (piano/eps)exactly the same between the MP7 and MP11?
Or there is a difference elsewhere?


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I believe there are some differences, but the main piano and EP samples are the same.

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Mistaya, I will try to check the different organ SETUP volume levels later.

Kind regards,
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Hello James
I think you should control not only the various volumes of organs Setup.
There are some default Setups, which have a disproportionate volume level than the other.

In this regard I wanted to ask a question,

how can I adjust the total volume of the SETUP ?
I don't find the function Master Volume (as in Common Parameters of MP6)

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Originally Posted by IMOL
how can I adjust the total volume of the SETUP ?
I don't find the function Master Volume (as in Common Parameters of MP6)


Unfortunately this function is not possible on the MP7.
As you may know, the MP7 shares many specifications with the MP11, which uses the MP10 operation as the base. The MP10 did not feature a SETUP volume function, and as a result neither does the MP11 or MP7.

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Thanks James - I'll adjust the volumes individually. I do know how to toggle SW2 on and off to be able to adjust volume etc. It's been pretty interesting toying with the drawbar settings etc. trying to get at a particular sound.

Ah right - using the F1-F4 buttons to explore the setups - will do.

Going to explore midi tonight - and set up the expression pedal:)

with thanks,
Caroline

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Originally Posted by Mistaya
I do know how to toggle SW2 on and off to be able to adjust volume etc.


Sorry for my confusing reply. I meant that you press the SW2 button to toggle between the tonewheel screen and the main playing screen. When on the tonewheel screen, the zone faders affect the drawbars, so you'll need to press the SW2 button to show the main playing screen in order to have the faders adjust the respective zone volumes.

I hope that's a little clearer.

Originally Posted by Mistaya
Going to explore midi tonight - and set up the expression pedal:)


Good stuff. Which pedal did you go for in the end?
Ah, don't forget to use the 'EXP Calib.' function in the SYSTEM/Pedal menu to calibrate the expression pedal correctly.

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Hopefully someone can help me out. Still gigging with a MP 9000 and eagerly went to check out a MP7 the other day. After much product studying and anticipation I was confused and let down what I saw/heard.....I witnessed the kb unpacked from box and I listened through headphones (AKG K240) and also through run into the amp of another Kawai home piano (not sure of model)....the piano sounds out of the box just didn't sound good and not close to the piano sound from the home unit piano I was plugged into....I tried a bunch of eq which hardly helped and only with a fair amount of enhancement effect was it getting a bit better. Granted it wasn't a best amp scenario but after finding some old studio monitors it still wasn't cutting it. During the years I've had to use a 9 band EQ on my MP9000 to free it from a bunch of midrange mud to arrive at a magical tone...I hope all Kawais are not this way. But what really drove me nuts was after selecting a bank and getting a 4 select menu (ABCD) after less than 1/2 second the screen would change to edit screen...is this normal? The operating system was 1.03. The sales guy was clueless, so a disappointing no sale. What am I missing?

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Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
I listened through headphones (AKG K240) and also through run into the amp of another Kawai home piano (not sure of model)....


Using headphones should be fine, but using the amp of another DP (depending on the instrument) is not ideal, as the Line In sound may not be EQ'd for the speaker system.

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
Granted it wasn't a best amp scenario but after finding some old studio monitors it still wasn't cutting it.


What kind of sound were you expecting?

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
During the years I've had to use a 9 band EQ on my MP9000 to free it from a bunch of midrange mud to arrive at a magical tone...


The MP7 definitely sounds much better than the MP9000, however it really depends on what your benchmark is - if you're used to the sound of the MP9000 (especially with heavy EQ), the higher quality MP7 pianos may not be immediately appealing to your ears. I recall a similar story from another MP7 owner who was used to the sound of his much older Roland.

Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
But what really drove me nuts was after selecting a bank and getting a 4 select menu (ABCD) after less than 1/2 second the screen would change to edit screen...is this normal?


If you're describing the main playing screen (with parameters assigned to each of the four knobs), yes. The currently selected sound name is shown at the top of the screen.

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Originally Posted by Alan Cyr
What am I missing?


It may be worth downloading the owner's manual PDF, or reading about the instrument (and listening to the demos etc.) at www.kawaimp.com/mp7

Cheers,
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