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Just worried about the impedance as my DI box is not around. And I am also not sure about the connections appropriate for digital pianos. I can't find any published specs for the headphone output of the ES100. Your Behringer has a fair amount of trim range at its channel inputs, though. I'd go get a 1/4" TRS-to-dual 1/4" TS adapter cable (which you'll need anyway if you have to use a DI), plug that beast into two of the line inputs on the 1202, and see if you can dial in a satisfactory input level using the trim pots. The impedance on the line inputs should be a reasonable match for headphones. Pan the two mixer channels hard left and right (unless you want to sum to mono), and I think it should work OK.
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Thanks man. I dont have yet TRS-to-dual TS adapter so looks like I'm gonna postpone the plan. I might also be able to borrow a keyboard amp with two inputs just for the sake of testing it out and i will surely need that adapter.
I initially thought you can consider (or convert) the two stereo headphone lines into left and right channels but I guess that's a wrong assumption.
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I initially thought you can consider (or convert) the two stereo headphone lines into left and right channels but I guess that's a wrong assumption. You could do it that way, but you'd have to rewire a couple of existing 1/4" TRS cables to sort things out. Better to get an adapter, I think, which is less of a PITA and also leaves the second headphone output free for its original intended use.
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Hi,
New to the forum, but have just brought a ES100, and to tell the truth I'm a little upset with the quality control on a product that isn't pocket change.
The first one I had I opened the box to find six keys stuck down 2 black and the sandwiching white. So back to the shop which was disappointing, the owner proceeded to pull black keys out which sorted them but the sandwiching white keys were still mushy.
Now onto the replacement, we tried it in the shop Prior to leaving as I did not want another journey back everything was ok, I was happy, but as of today 2 keys have started clicking on depression, release.
It is extremely frustrating that all I want is the product to function correctly and not feel like I have somehow got a shoddy product. I think it probably comes down to the factory production line not being fastidious enough when they are assembled and overlooking small details which cause inconvenience a for the customer and leave a bad impression of the company.
Do I want to make another trip to the shop or just put up with the quirks and hope it dose not get worse?
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Jdjeb, if you're not 100% satisfied with your purchase, you should return the instrument to the shop until you receive a product you're happy with.
Incidentally, may I ask where you're based?
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The first one I had I opened the box to find six keys stuck down 2 black and the sandwiching white. So back to the shop which was disappointing, the owner proceeded to pull black keys out which sorted them but the sandwiching white keys were still mushy. The AHAIV action is susceptible to shock. What happens is that individual keys can become dislodged at the pivot point. The good news is that this propensity to pop off the rail helps prevent breakage of the keys themselves, and it's a really simple fix - providing you can either open the case or gain enough "wiggle room" to snap them back onto the rail. The later action in the MP6 (and presumably its 3-sensor variant in the MP7 and ES7 etc.) does not have this "open" method of fixing to the rail. There, the keys are held firmly in place, and there is greater potential for extreme shock to be transferred into the body of the keys. I once had to replace a number of broken keys in an MP6 that had been subjected to mistreatment. The keys had snapped at the thinnest part of the shank (close to the pivot point). Conversely, when I received an MP5 with AHAIV action, a couple of keys had become dislodged during shipping and it took me just a few minutes (once I understood the problem) to have everything back to normal. I have noticed that keyboard dealer Kraft (here in the US) frequently offers customer returned ES100s for sale. They are commendably open about what issues these "open box" items have had. Some have had keys reseated. Presumably, the original customers will have opened the box to reveal an apparently damaged keyboard, and shipped the unit straight back, not knowing that the issue is a minor one.
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Jamie,
I'm based in Nottingham UK, I appreciate I can take it back, but it's a lot of hassle as I live in a upstairs flat, and have to borrow transport to take it to and from the shop, repackage and box each time, and then can't be 100% sure it will be right untill it is set up and has a few days play.
I've had around 4 different piano over 5 years and they have all been perfect out of the box, all I wonder is why these kawai pianos can't be the same or I'm I just unlucky.
P.s too the last poster, I don't expect to have to do any fixes to a product no matter how easy when it's new, maybe If there is a chance items can be affected by transportation kawai need to look at how they can package there products so they are not susceptible to problems and customers wouldn't feel upset when they get the item home.
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Jdjeb - mine does none of that so I'd return it. I had to return my first one as the transformer was DOA. So it's just luck. It's a nice DP when you have one working right. I use headphones a lot or Pianoteq and I like the feel ok. At this price point I preferred it to others (a very personal decision).
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Meanwhile I found an issue with the ES100 sound engine:
1. Play a chord loud and hold the keys down. 2. Depress the sustain pedal. 3. Release the keys. 4. Play the same chord silent and hold it down again. 5. Release the sustain pedal.
What happens: The ES100 immediately goes silent.
What should happen: The chord played at the beginning should still be heard, because the dampers are still lifted and never touched the strings.
I think, this test should become part of the DP test MIDI file. Pianoteq 5 gets it right BTW.
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I don't think you can expect this sort of feature at the price range. And even it it happened, practically speaking its of no worth IMO. BTW have you tried Pianoteq half pedalling? Its not as good as with version 4.5. IMO. . .😁
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I don't think you can expect this sort of feature at the price range. It's just an oversight/limitation in the state machine for the sustain modeling and I'm interested if other (and more expensive) models are affected by this issue, too. And even it it happened practically speaking its of no worth IMO. I noticed it while improvising and practicing chords. If you hold down the keys all the way through the sustain pedal cycle, it works fine, of course. If you release the keys temporarily with the sustain pedal down to play different notes, the ES100 forgets about these earlier notes later on. You can get even more unrealistic with this: 1. Play a note/chord at ff and hold it 2. pedal 3. Play the same note/chord again at p (not silent) and hold it 4. release pedal Now the ff note/chord is cut off and the p note/chord remains. It's not a show stopper, but it immediately reminds you, that you're just playing a synthesizer keyboard and not a piano. BTW have you tried Pianoteq half pedalling? Its not as good as with version 4.5. IMO. . .😁 The ES100 supports only six steps for the pedal, so I'm afraid there is not much to test for me...
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"The ES100 supports only six steps for the pedal, so I'm afraid there is not much to test for me..." 4 more than mine. And three more than I can detect practically speaking . . .
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Ive uploaded a Video of the offending key sound alongside the other keys. Is that acceptable? My ES100 did clicking noises too on some keys. These have gone away later. I'm playing it for a month now and it still works just fine.
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Hey jdjeb, I'm in Nottingham too and I also bought an ES100 last week. Small world, etc...
Thanks Kawai James for your answers to my questions earlier which helped me finalise my decision. Loving the ES100 so far.
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Nickd100 nice to hear from a fellow Nottingham resident, any clicky keys on your es100 as detailed in the video above.
Jtsn, I can't believe that the noise will disappear through play, it works ok outside of the annoying noise, sound like the key might need some grease, anybody know if this is possible? And how?
Cheers Jon
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Jon, yes one key started clicking a little on Friday (intermittently). I'm just keeping an eye on it for now, to see if it does fix itself or get any worse... Nick
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Jtsn, I can't believe that the noise will disappear through play, it works ok outside of the annoying noise Slab DPs may be placed in the (incorrect) vertical position during shipping, so the keys can move sideways and then make some friction noises (just my own guesswork) After setting up the DP in the correct horizontal position, gravity can do its work again. During play keys also get wiggled sideways slightly, so they may just correct themselves. Would speak for the quality of the action.
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Meanwhile I found an issue with the ES100 sound engine:
1. Play a chord loud and hold the keys down. 2. Depress the sustain pedal. 3. Release the keys. 4. Play the same chord silent and hold it down again. 5. Release the sustain pedal.
What happens: The ES100 immediately goes silent.
What should happen: The chord played at the beginning should still be heard, because the dampers are still lifted and never touched the strings.
I think, this test should become part of the DP test MIDI file. Pianoteq 5 gets it right BTW. This was already known issue, and is already on the MIDI file test of The DPBSD Project, since forever. Dewster call it "silent replay test @ pedal up". I call it "Realistic key-pedal damper interaction". Is already mention on my Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$. I don't think you can expect this sort of feature at the price range. And even it it happened, practically speaking its of no worth IMO. Actually some cheap digital pianos don't have this problem. Examples are Yamaha P-35 and Yamaha P-105, both cheaper than the Kawai ES100. And is an annoying problem, in some moments, so I think should be fix. Also should be easy thing to fix. This DP are like computers with instructions. The programming of this instructions can be fix to tell sound to stay on even if key was release previously. Is a programming mistake, not a lack of resources or expensive electronics. I create a program (for windows) a few years ago to simulate this kind of interactions between keys and pedals of a piano. Long story short, I success on replicating realistically this interaction with no issue. If I can, Kawai can. Casio Privia have this problem too. Yamaha don't. Roland and Korg don't know yet.
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Strange echo on soft strike of D one octave above middle D.
Hi,
it's me again, gauguin, the person who started this thread. I was away from this thread for a long time and am so happy to see that it is still active! Really!
So after being busy with other things in life I finally bought the ES100. It is such a beautiful instrument to play and learn piano on. Every night I look forward to playing on it once I finally managed to put my two boys to bed.
Here is one thing I noticed. When softly striking D, the one which is one octave above middle D, there is a low echoing sound that comes on about a second after playing it. I hear it as I play with headphones. To describe this echo, imagine you sit under deck in a big ship and you hear that in some other part of the ship someone moves a heavy metal door in its hinges. I only can hear it on that D and it is unlike any other echo or reverb on any other keys. So it is kind of annoying as it is out of place. Has anybody else noticed this? Does it go away? If not should I get an exchange?
Thanks for your feedback and suggestions.
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