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Best headphone for a digital Clavinova CVP-403
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Hi,

I own a CVP-403 and I use an headphone AKG-141 Studio ... but I don't like so much the supra-aural headphone and I want to buy a circum-aural.

Can you advise me ? I found some candidates (AKG K241 MKII, Sennheiser HD-598, ... AKG Q701 but with an impedance of 65 ohms, ...).

What headphone could give me the best sound ?

Thanks a lot !




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Out of the ones you mentioned I'd probably go with the Sennheisers. The Q701s would likely require an amp (they have quite low sensitivity for headphones), so I wouldn't pick those. If possible I'd recommend checking if there are any local stores where you can go try headphones, because "best" sound is relative to your ears, so it'd probably be better to try them if possible.

There are also many other options, but a lot depends on your budget.


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I've heard good things about the Philips Fidelio X1 (X2 coming in October). You can most likely run these without an amp. These are not optimal for monitoring (flat/neutral). Supposedly, the bass is slightly enhanced; which may or may not be a good thing for piano playing.

Most reviewers recommend changing the default cable (high impedance) for a generic type. Philips claims to have fixed this for the upcoming X2. Asides from the issue with the default cable, I've read mostly good things. Also, there are several videos on youtube regarding the X1.

I usually buy from vendors that accept returns. If the headphones don't do it for me, I simply return them.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
I've heard good things about the Philips Fidelio X1 (X2 coming in October). You can most likely run these without an amp. These are not optimal for monitoring (flat/neutral). Supposedly, the bass is slightly enhanced; which may or may not be a good thing for piano playing.

Most reviewers recommend changing the default cable (high impedance) for a generic type. Philips claims to have fixed this for the upcoming X2. Asides from the issue with the default cable, I've read mostly good things. Also, there are several videos on youtube regarding the X1.

I usually buy from vendors that accept returns. If the headphones don't do it for me, I simply return them.


There are a couple things to keep in mind about the X1 though.
1) You cannot replace the pads (main thing being addressed with the X2 from my understanding)
2) Best deal on them on Amazon was $150, but they're almost double that now. If you decide to go for them, I'd definitely wait for them to drop back down after the X2 comes out.


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I support the recommendation of the Sennheisers. I'd add also the Beyer DT990 Pro 250 ohm headphones. Both of these *can* be found, occasionally, in the $150 range. Not all the time, for sure - have to be watchful and a bit lucky to catch a promo.

(I'd swear I saw a post in this forum a few months back telling of one person's experience with the Beyers. Can't find it now, tho. It did make me go out and buy a pair - and I'm now using them most of the time instead of my 598's. Like'em both, however!)

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I'm a simple soul wink . I don't think there is such a thing as the best headphones for a specific output source, let alone for a specific digital.

IMO, the best headphones for a digital - any digital - are also the best ones for your other music sources, like your MP3 player, or your hi-fi system. With one proviso - that the headphones must have high enough sensitivity, because some DPs won't give sufficient volume for headphones with low sensitivities unless you add an amplifier for them. If your headphones work OK with your MP3 player, they should be fine for your DP.

I bought my second pair of headphones (I wanted an open-ear pair, because the closed ones I was given to use with my digital was too warm for summer use) based on recommendations in a respected hi-fi magazine. And just as they provided the best sound with my DP, they also provided the best sound when using my iPod and when listening to my laptop or hi-fi system.


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Originally Posted by Deffie
The Q701s would likely require an amp (they have quite low sensitivity for headphones), so I wouldn't pick those.

The amplification of my Clavinova gives 2x45 w. Is an amp necessary to drive the Q701 ?

Originally Posted by Deffie
If possible I'd recommend checking if there are any local stores where you can go try headphones, because "best" sound is relative to your ears, so it'd probably be better to try them if possible.

I did not find a store selling the Q701 ..

Originally Posted by Deffie
There are also many other options, but a lot depends on your budget.

Maximum is the price of the Q701

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Thanks for you answers.

I thing I need to reformulate my question. When I said "the best sound", I did a mistake.

Based on your experiences, the headphone you are using or have used or compared, what are the high-quality headphones you can recommend ?

The criteria are open/semi-open, circus-aural.
Off course without using an amp, knowing that my clavinova gives 2x45.

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2x45 w is the power your Clavinova puts out for speakers, the headphone output would be on a completely separate circuit and likely puts out at most a couple hundred milliwatts.

Around $200, I'd probably look at:

Sennheiser HD558 / 598 (haven't heard them, but they're supposed to be good)

Beyerdynamic DT770/880/990 (I like the 770, haven't heard the others, the 880 is supposed to be the most neutral out of the three models).

Sony MDR-MA900, they're discontinued in the US, but you can still find pairs online around $200.

AKG K241 maybe, but I haven't heard it.

AKG Q701 is a rather polarizing sound, as they've got fairly emphasized treble and high power requirements.

Also hit up http://www.head-fi.org/ for way more information. I definitely agree that good music headphones are typically also the best for piano.

And just as a point of reference, I currently have:

Sennheiser HD600, Sony MDR-MA900, Beyerdynamic DT 150, Shure SRH840, Grado SR80i

And my sound quality reference were the Audeze LCD-2s that I had for a bit over a year.


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Be aware that this is not a factor:
Originally Posted by Viccha
... knowing that my clavinova gives 2x45.
The amplifier's output configuration is different when using speakers, so the 45 watt spec on the piano's amplifier does not apply to phones.

45 watts would fry your phones. Even 1 watt would bust your eardrums (and maybe the phones, too).

Headphones don't need much power, and they have higher impedance than speakers. So the headphone jack is wired to produce much less power, and to work with higher impedance.

The only sure way to know whether phones will work with the piano is to try them.

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There should be an entry in the spec in the manual indicating the headphone impedance that works best with the keyboard. For example, my Motif XS8 was spec'd for low impedance headphones (as I recall) around 80 ohms. I chose the DT770 Pro80 and they worked fine. The headphones I got with my V-Grand are similarly low impedance, around 30 ohms. A large impedance mismatch would result in lower volume than might otherwise be possible with a given keyboard. Of course, maybe most keyboards are in that low impedance range, I have a very small sample to work from.

The overall sensitivity of the headphones is another spec separate from impedance, as has already been discussed in this thread, but impedance mismatch should be considered when choosing headphones.

Tony


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Originally Posted by TonyB
There should be an entry in the spec in the manual indicating the headphone impedance that works best with the keyboard.

I did not find an entry in the spec ... Does somebody known the answer ?

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