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Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement #2330795
09/25/14 01:23 AM
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Hi all,

I have a yamaha arius ydp 161 which I love. Recently I've been thinking that the actual piano sound whilst being good is lacking something. I normally play through good quality headphones so it's not the speakers.

On listening to the demos on the machine the piano sound quality is far better than when the piano is actually played. Is there anything I can do to improve the sound/alter it? Can I plug it into a pc or buy a stand alone bolt on sequencer type machine? Any recommendations on how to do this/what to use please?

Thanks all. I am completely new to this and grateful for any help!

James

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Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2330822
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Hi James,

Though I don't own an Arius I am familiar with Yamaha DP's.

I assume that you are playing the Grand Piano 1 voice, i.e. the main piano sound, which is used for most onboard piano demos.

If this is the case, the only possible reasons for sound differences that I know are:

1/ Different reverb settings
2/ Different playing style (use of dynamics)

For what concerns 1/, you can just try to change the 'reverb' type and/or depth to your liking (I usually use 'room' reverb with depth 10-20 for a nice presence without long reverb tails).

To check whether 2/ is the problem, you may try to change the 'keyboard sensitivity' setting in the 'other' settings menu to 'light', if available on your piano.

Please note that many of the onboard piano demos have rich melodic and harmonic content, that tend to hide sound quality issues, like the 'looping artefact' that you can easily hear if you play a single key and keep it down for a long time, but usually goes unnoticed if you play a reasonably fast piece.

Ciao,
Paolo


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Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2330835
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Funny you should say that. . . I find the same, and have done with every piano I've ever had. To further annoy me, when anybody else plays it, the same phenomenon happens.

There must be a scientific explanation for this, but do I want to hear it? grin


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Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2330865
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What Paolo says, good playing and a bit of reverb or equalisation can improve things.

There are also other solutions, if you are dissatisfied with your piano sound: software pianos.

I had Yamaha YDP-161, and I was very unhappy about the sound (my main gripes were the timbre - missing color and substance, and poor dynamics). I attached the piano to a computer, bought a virtual piano (Galaxy Vintage D) and it was like a miracle - the sound was incredibly better.

Please be aware though, that opinions on quality of piano sounds greatly differ among people, I might be an extreme. My honest, purely personal opinion on YDP-161 sound is that it's a bad joke, completely unusable for piano practising. But there are many people completely happy with YDP-161 sound, and I don't criticise their taste at all.


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Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2330897
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An alternative to GAlaxy Vintage D is "Pianoteq". It relies on physical modelling (not sample playback), and you can get a free trial copy (several notes don't work!) to experiment with.

The website:

https://www.pianoteq.com/

I think your DP doesn't have a USB-to-computer connection, but it does have a MIDI Out jack. So, to run any software piano, you'll need a MIDI-to-USB adapter.

For Pianoteq, you need a reasonably fast CPU -- something over 2 GHz -- but nothing special in the way of disk drives or memory. I think the "sampled pianos" are more demanding.

. Charles

PS -- I own Pianoteq, and like it.



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Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2330953
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Many thanks for the info all, really useful! Are there any devices that I can plug in to do the job or is it necessary to use a pc?

Thanks

Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2331109
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Yes, there are free-standing ("rack-mount") boxes from Roland (and others) that take MIDI input and produce piano (and lots of other) sounds.

For example, here:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Roland-INTEGRA-7-SuperNATURAL-Sound-Module-108269374-i2670481.gc

The rackmount stuff is nice in some ways -- the O/S is optimized for realtime work, and it doesn't crash in the middle of a set.

In terms of "sound per dollar", if you just want piano sounds, either Pianoteq or a sample library, _along with a new PC to run it_, is cheaper.

. Charles


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Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2331114
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I also have an YDP-161. Until now this piano serves me well.
In time maybe the purchase of a higher level digital piano is a better investment/option?

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Many thanks all...

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I think a pc programme is probably a good choice on reflection. My piano only has midi connectors. Looked at the official yamaha USB midi connector and it's on Amazon for 60. Can anyone recommend a slightly cheaper alternative that will work with my setup or is it worth me spending this much?

Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2331186
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Jamess, there are many good usb/midi cables. There was a thread recently where people were recommending their favorites.
I personally had good experience with ESI midimate II, which is a very versatile cable, allegedly even USB2.

It's worth mentioning that many people use external audio interfaces, which often provide MIDI ports for connecting through much simpler MIDI-MIDI cables.

Johan D, sound of higher level digital pianos still can't compare with good VST libraries in sound quality and playability.


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Re: Yamaha arius ydp 161 sound improvement [Re: jamess] #2331223
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Many thanks. One more question! Had a look at the esi midi mate 2 and also the official yamaha one. It appears that there is some form of electronic "box" wired into the yamaha one. What is it and do I need it? will the esi work without it on my piano and pc? I'm thinking possibly pianoteq but this is based on the fact I can try it before buying to see if it works! Thanks again....

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Unless I'm very much mistaken, ALL midi-usb cables have electronic hardware and software switiching inside them. In the case of the esi midi mate 2, it must be inside the plugs.

There are also the M-Audio USB Uno and Roland UM-One MkII as alternatives to the esi midi mate 2. They all probably do a good job as midi converters. I have a Yamaha UX16, which I bought years ago when there was far less choice. Yamaha's solution now seems very expensive for some reason.


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