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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: turandot] #2324064
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Originally Posted by turandot
[...]On the other hand, [ess eks] with it hard harsh consonants is not fun at all, downright unmusical and unpoetic in fact. The subconscious penetration may well induce a severe headahce. The [ks] cluster ends the name abruptly and prematurely, leaving the consumer with the thought: "That's it? That's all you've got? You've got to be kidding me!" unless the consumer happens to be a fan of vinatage Errol Flynn film roles. grin
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I wonder if they thought of "Essexstein"? - Too many consonant clusters, perhaps, but pronounceable. smile

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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: Grandman] #2324074
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Originally Posted by Grandman

Quite the opposite. Quality components don't "cheapen" themselves by being used in lesser known instruments. Rather, they improve the quality of those instruments which, in turn, makes it better for the consumer.


I know that's the intent, but given that almost all the pianos coming from China have a similar checklist of components, the rarity factor sort of goes away.

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I'm just 'guesstimating' that North America in 2014 is probably one of the world's smaller piano markets so maybe Schimmel has little concern for how we interpret/receive the name of a new piano. If I were a piano maker in 2014 I'd be far more concerned about how the instrument will be received in Asian markets where the instruments are still selling well.
If I'm incorrect in this assumption I'm sure someone 'in the know' will eagerly and promptly correct my misinformation.



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Originally Posted by AJF
I'm just 'guesstimating' that North America in 2014 is probably one of the world's smaller piano markets so maybe Schimmel has little concern for how we interpret/receive the name of a new piano. If I were a piano maker in 2014 I'd be far more concerned about how the instrument will be received in Asian markets where the instruments are still selling well.
If I'm incorrect in this assumption I'm sure someone 'in the know' will eagerly and promptly correct my misinformation.


This makes sense. I'm not sure how much we really matter in the grand scheme of things.

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Or the 'upright' scheme of things either :-P



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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: AJF] #2324394
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Originally Posted by AJF
I'm just 'guesstimating' that North America in 2014 is probably one of the world's smaller piano markets so maybe Schimmel has little concern for how we interpret/receive the name of a new piano. If I were a piano maker in 2014 I'd be far more concerned about how the instrument will be received in Asian markets where the instruments are still selling well.
If I'm incorrect in this assumption I'm sure someone 'in the know' will eagerly and promptly correct my misinformation.

The North American piano market, as a whole, is now one of the smaller markets. It is one of the larger grand piano markets, however.

I doubt the Schimmel family will be overly worried about how a few Piano Forum members ridiculing the given name of one of their ancestors will affect their business. They might feel personally insulted but that is another issue.

In Asia the name will be perceived as German -- what more need be said?

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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: AJF] #2324435
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Originally Posted by AJF
I'm just 'guesstimating' that North America in 2014 is probably one of the world's smaller piano markets


(not offered as a correction grin)

I think Schimmel might be keeping a close eye on Toronto for an early indicator of market reception.

You mayt be able to greet and meet one or more of Fridolin's progeny if you visit Robert Lowrey's place. Best to call first though to confirm and make a reservation. Avoid any references to dumbed-down piannos.


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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: Del] #2324452
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Originally Posted by Del
In Asia the name will be perceived as German -- what more need be said?

Point well taken !! thumb



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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: turandot] #2324782
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Originally Posted by turandot
Originally Posted by AJF
I'm just 'guesstimating' that North America in 2014 is probably one of the world's smaller piano markets


(not offered as a correction grin)

I think Schimmel might be keeping a close eye on Toronto for an early indicator of market reception.

You mayt be able to greet and meet one or more of Fridolin's progeny if you visit Robert Lowrey's place. Best to call first though to confirm and make a reservation. Avoid any references to dumbed-down piannos.


I'll be there the 3rd week of September. And will be sure, if I can get my hands on one, to give it a solid working over.

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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: Steve Cohen] #2327892
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Chris,

Are you carrying Fridolin pianos? Do you have the answers to the questions asked in this thread?


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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: Minnesota Marty] #2328119
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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Chris,

Are you carrying Fridolin pianos? Do you have the answers to the questions asked in this thread?


I don't recall any unanswered questions about Schimmel's new budget line.

Refresh my memory.


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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: turandot] #2328154
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Originally Posted by turandot
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Chris,

Are you carrying Fridolin pianos? Do you have the answers to the questions asked in this thread?


I don't recall any unanswered questions about Schimmel's new budget line.

Refresh my memory.

The question which hasn't been answered is whether this is a newly designed piano or merely a renaming of an existing design.

Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
For clarification because my previous post may not have been clear, at NAMM and at the National PTG convention, the introduction of Fridolin consisted of swapping the fallboard from a new Weber. Literally, inside the piano with a Fridolin fallboard was the same Weber soundboard decal as if the swap was last minute. If more differentiation is on the horizon, then those details would be helpful, but for now, compare to Del's Webers.


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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: Minnesota Marty] #2328185
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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty

The question which hasn't been answered is whether this is a newly designed piano or merely a renaming of an existing design.


Well, given Sam's anecdote about interchangeable fallboards thumb that you quoted, other information on the thread, and the way the industry works, I think you'll be waiting indefinitely for a new design.

I'd suggest assuming to be true whichever answer pleases you more as a way of getting past your concerns, assuming you have concerns.

Asking a retailer who sells exotic items like the Mammoth if he stocks the Fridolin line is not likely to be productive.


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Re: A New Piano Brand is Coming [Re: Steve Cohen] #2328189
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Turandot,

Thank you for your critique of my question and your disregard of my curiosity about the piano. Schimmel is a fine builder and I have interest in new models introduced by the top level builders.

I would assume that dealers would have more information available to them and might be able to offer more specifics on the Fridolin line. I don't know if that dealer carries them, or not, and that is why I asked.

Do you have more information?


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Turandot,


Do you have more information?


Well yeah, but I don't think it will please you. You state that your interest has been piqued by your estimation that Schimmel is a fine builder, and Schimmel didn't build this piano. I hope that you can get past that without losing faith in Schimmel as a fine builder.


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I am perfectly aware that Schimmel doesn't build the piano. I am aware that it is built in China. However, that doesn't exclude Schimmel from being the designer. Or, it may only be a stencil of Del's Weber.

S&S doesn't build the Boston or Essex either. But, they designed them. The introductions of those pianos were of major interest to piano aficionados.

I cannot understand why you can't accept the fact that I would like to know more about the instrument.


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty


I cannot understand why you can't accept the fact that I would like to know more about the instrument.


Okay. I'll assume your interest is legitimate and that the information on the thread still leaves you in doubt about your question. All I can say is what I said before, that in that case, you'll need to wait and the wait may be considerable.

This venture does not involve a huge order of pianos. It is a trial balloon. The only dealer in N.A. who is currently listing inventory is in Canada. Schimmel has not supplied a marketing blurb, so he is using the one from the Keyboard magazine article that announced the piano and embellishing on it. The original begins.....

"Solid workmanship and an exquisite choice of materials make this a very desirable piano......"

He has embellished it to read:

Solid workmanship, an exquisite choice of materials, and experienced piano craftsman guarantees a truly European sound experience.

This is not the way that any fine builder brings to market a piano at any market level that it has in fact designed. That's not the way it works in the industry. You don't start your blurb with "solid workmanship".

If neither the information on the thread nor the type of marketing that is being done leads you to the answer to your own question, then you'll just need to wait.

My guess is that with a favorable market response to the trial balloon, Schimmel could find some way to differentiate future orders from standard Webers if they choose to order more. It could involve the type of prep they suggest to their dealers who stock the Fridolin or minor cosmetic changes requested of Young Chang. It's possible, but very unlikely because of expense, that they could have them shipped to Germany for finishing before releasing them to the market. That's what they did when they first introduced the May Berlins, the line that Frdiolin is replacing. But i'ts pretty clear that Schimmel is not trying to re-invent the wheel here, and that makes sense. If a proven piano that Schimmel likes is available to fill a need at a cost that Schimmel likes, it eliminates a lot of potential disappointments that can occur with OEM.



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Turandot,

I understand all you have stated very well.

You asked me a question, and I responded.

A dealer linked to his sales site which had all of the canned info about the Fridolin. That would tend to indicate that it was a line he carried, however, it was not listed in his webpage lineup. So, I simply asked him. He has yet to answer and in his place you have chosen to scold me for a simple question. Now you are giving me a lecture on company marketing techniques and telling nothing which hasn't been said previously.

If the dealer is stocking the piano, he would be able to provide some answers to our questions.

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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
I am perfectly aware that Schimmel doesn't build the piano. I am aware that it is built in China. However, that doesn't exclude Schimmel from being the designer. Or, it may only be a stencil of Del's Weber....I cannot understand why you can't accept the fact that I would like to know more about the instrument.


FWIW, I saw the 6' model at the PTG convention, in Atlanta. Many of the design features of that piano suggested to me that it was designed by Del. These features included a rather substantial curved bass cut-off bar, treble 'fish' cut-off bar, long back scale length, and short front duplex. I may be forgetting a few, but it's been a while! Very transparent bass/benor crossover and clean treble (in a good way). Del has written about and advocated for such design features in his writings for a long time, and incorporated them into his rebuilding work, though other designers do, as well. There may be some subtle differences, but I am pretty sure these are essentially the same as the entry level Weber. I hope this helps answer your question. It was a very nice piano.

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