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Re: Steinway or Porsche?
John Pels #2326011 09/10/14 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by John Pels
But heck we all need a few vices. One could do worse than sports-cars and pianos. My sickness lies with Lotuses and Jaguars for cars, and as to pianos I have owned most of the really high-quality large American grands for as many years and I love them all.

Ah, Lotus, now there's a beautiful car.


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Well, it's really a fluff topic, I suppose, because most people can't buy either, but some can buy both. Why not buy a slightly-used Mason-Hamlin BB and get a 2014 Lexus ES hybrid like I did and have some fun? (Actually spent less money than on a new Steinway B.)

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Originally Posted by pteck
Originally Posted by Almaviva
How does the Porsche-designed Bosie compare with the Audi-designed Bosie? smile


Practically identical as they both fall under the Volkswagen group and would share parts anyways.


LOL

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>>>>>I suppose, because most people can't buy either, but some can buy both.<<<<<<

Actually, most folks could afford both. The trick is that it helps to understand how they work. I am primarily a piano teacher and I also enjoy knowing how things work. Most of my acquisitions, either pianos or cars were bought at the end of their useful lives. Things tend to migrate from people that don't understand them to people that do and always at a reduced dollar figure.I will admit it would be nice to just walk into the local dealer and plop down some serious dollars, but at the time I acquired my first large piano, the cost of an SD10 was around $35K, and for a piano teacher that wasn't happening. For $3500 though I was able to secure a decent carcass of a 9' Knabe, and then attended some community college classes and rebuilt the piano. When completed I played a recital at the college on my rebuilt piano. A great time was had indeed. I have worked on cars since high-school, and have done major restorations on them as well. It's always the time or money thing. I enjoy the knowledge learned along the way more than anything else because in that way I am not at the mercy of others.

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Originally Posted by John Pels
I enjoy the knowledge learned along the way more than anything else because in that way I am not at the mercy of others.


Cool.


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Jennymomofboys #2327277 09/13/14 09:26 PM
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The comparison between cars and pianos is often made. We read of the big 8 that we have to think of Rolls-Royce, Bentley or Porsche. Maybe. But at the end of the day, a car is just a vehicle bringing you from A to boring B. If there is beauty, it is for those who are pedestrians on the street admiring a glossy and shining shape from the outside, while the driver -- well is he really making the engine roar to accelerate his powerful machine to the next .... traffic light (predictably on red)? What is the fun in that?

I have an old Audi and brand new Sauter (mind you, both German craft). Which one I would die for to keep at all cost is no-brainer.


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interesting thread, but I am surprised no one suggested a German engineered piano - say a C. Bechstein vs the Porsche?

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Originally Posted by Frankni
But at the end of the day, a car is just a vehicle bringing you from A to boring B. If there is beauty, it is for those who are pedestrians on the street admiring a glossy and shining shape from the outside, while the driver -- well is he really making the engine roar to accelerate his powerful machine to the next .... traffic light (predictably on red)? What is the fun in that?

I have an old Audi and brand new Sauter (mind you, both German craft). Which one I would die for to keep at all cost is no-brainer.


I'm quite disappointed. For this to come from a person who I believe appreciates one art form, yet completely dismisses another without any consideration... You know, the German's make quite pedestrian Audi taxi's too.

To be fair, there's plenty of people out there that don't appreciate fine Piano's. I mean, there are keyboards that play themselves that never make a mistake.

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Jennymomofboys #2360167 12/10/14 07:10 AM
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I'll take the organ, forget the car and the piano.


Seiler 206, Chickering 145, Estey 2 manual reed organ, Fudge clavichord, Zuckerman single harpsichord, Technics P-30, Roland RD-100.
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Perfectly restored vintage grand and a Subaru.

If I have to have both, add a Tesla. Those things go from 0 to 60 in a flash, are quiet, and in a pinch, they have a third row of seats. They are sweet!

On the other hand, I have a friend who was T-boned in a Subaru and walked away. I hope no one does that to my piano....

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Interesting previous post... I have a restored 1884 Chickering and a Subaru Outback. :-)


What do snowflakes and Chickerings have in common? There are no two exactly alike!
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I do have as Subaru Outback as well..
Hard decision, my family cannot live without my car..

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Bicycle anyone?


Seiler 206, Chickering 145, Estey 2 manual reed organ, Fudge clavichord, Zuckerman single harpsichord, Technics P-30, Roland RD-100.
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A trip in the wayback machine brings us to 1975 and my high school graduation. My Grandmother (whom I adored) offered me high school graduation Nirvana, I had a choice; A car or a Fender Rhodes Stage piano with the satellite speaker system. I never even asked what kind of car, and yes I still have the Rhodes almost 40 years later. I can't tell you all the cars I've had since then, but only one I would have kept, a 1966 MB 230, certainly no sports car. Things are no different today, my M&H CC2 is worth far more than my Ford F250.


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And the Rhodes is probably worth more now that the car would be unless is was a shelby cobra or a mint Karmann Ghia.

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My two main obsessions are cars and music. Most people look at a car as transportation only, and so it doesn't surprise me that most people here think pianos are more disirable than cars. Ask the same question in a car forum, I'm sure it would be different.

I have a wonderful piano that I love (Baldwin SD-10) and a wonderful rare car I also love (2011 BMW 1 Series M - If you're a car person, you probably know about this car). Obviously they are very different, but they also hit some of the same buttons:

  • Both were meticulously crafted to a high level of quality
  • Both are unusual items, something that most people don't have
  • When I get to use them, they both bring me a great deal of satisfaction. Even driving around town can be very enjoyable if you have the right car, and practicing on a nice piano is much nicer.

So my response is, I love them both. If I could only save one, it would be a hard choice. My heart says the piano, but my car is worth a good deal more than my piano. smile

Oh, and one more thought...

Originally Posted by Frankni
I have an old Audi and brand new Sauter (mind you, both German craft). Which one I would die for to keep at all cost is no-brainer.


I wouldn't die to keep either the piano or the car!

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gynnis #2360360 12/10/14 06:22 PM
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Bicycle anyone?


Yes, Porsche make bicycles.

Not the dearest in the world - but more than I'd pay (particularly with sore shoulders which stop me riding).


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
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Porsche (x3) PLUS Steinway (x3)

There was a concert here in Australia last year by the (then) Steinway dealer "... world’s first musical composition for three Steinway & Sons pianos and three Porsche automobiles." It "... was written by emerging composer Daniel Manera, who is undertaking his PHD in music composition.

"... has composed the piece based on the firing order of cylinders in the Porsche flat-six engine, and his work will feature live engine ‘notes’ of all three Porsches with the Steinway pianos in a spectacular 3D acoustic setting".

I didn't go - I don't indulge in 20th C Music, let alone 21st C - preferring my music to be well seasoned by several centuries.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
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