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#2315567 - 08/14/14 04:26 PM Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals.  
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#2315573 - 08/14/14 04:34 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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You do not have permission to preview drafts.


That's what shows up on your link.


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#2315579 - 08/14/14 04:58 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Yup. 'Busted link.


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#2315596 - 08/14/14 05:44 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Where do you found pure intervals in a piano ? hidden under the keys ?

No such thing for me, sorry

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#2315606 - 08/14/14 06:39 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Here is the video:



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#2315607 - 08/14/14 06:42 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Olek]  
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Originally Posted by Olek
Where do you found pure intervals in a piano ? hidden under the keys ?

No such thing for me, sorry

I once found one behind the trap-work in a Lester spinet. Gosh that was a pretty thing!


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#2315608 - 08/14/14 06:49 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: David Jenson]  
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Originally Posted by David Jenson
Originally Posted by Olek
Where do you found pure intervals in a piano ? hidden under the keys ?

No such thing for me, sorry

I once found one behind the trap-work in a Lester spinet. Gosh that was a pretty thing!



Oh! I have once found one! But it was behind the strings, in front of the soundboard, in a WT, and I couldn't trap it. Since then I tune ET.



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#2315617 - 08/14/14 08:02 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Is that a laptop computer on the struts?

I highly recommend against placing an electronic, HEAT generating, FAN cooled device near the strings you are trying to tune, or just tuned. It will change the pitch of the previously tuned strings by several cents, at a minimum.

If you must use a laptop, put it somewhere else, away from the piano.


#2315715 - 08/14/14 10:19 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Olek]  
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Originally Posted by Olek
Where do you found pure intervals in a piano ? hidden under the keys ?

No such thing for me, sorry


The challenge for beginners is in just understanding the relationships.

But, yes, we do find pure intervals, while tuning.

Example: F3A3 = F3D4
What now?

Well, which direction do you change the top note of a pure interval if you want it to beat wide?

A) Raise it
B) Lower it

You see? The exercise is very powerful for beginners.

Also, many tuners tune pure 12ths.

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#2315719 - 08/14/14 10:21 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: prout]  
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Originally Posted by prout
Is that a laptop computer on the struts?

I highly recommend against placing an electronic, HEAT generating, FAN cooled device near the strings you are trying to tune, or just tuned. It will change the pitch of the previously tuned strings by several cents, at a minimum.

If you must use a laptop, put it somewhere else, away from the piano.



Thanks Prout.

The laptop is usually on two ice paces, which are on a towel, which is on a piece of plywood.

But in this case, pedagogy trumps tuning stability. (Anyway, that piano hasn't been tuned in years. It's just for teaching tuning on. It's constantly being tuned and untuned.


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#2315720 - 08/14/14 10:21 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: David Jenson]  
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Originally Posted by David Jenson
Yup. 'Busted link.


I'll check on it and relist.


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#2315722 - 08/14/14 10:24 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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OK. I sent you the preview draft link. Here is the link to the published page. Thanks.

http://howtotunepianos.com/narrow-wide-and-pure-intervals-video-and-quiz/


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#2315723 - 08/14/14 10:28 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Gadzar]  
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Originally Posted by Gadzar
Originally Posted by David Jenson
Originally Posted by Olek
Where do you found pure intervals in a piano ? hidden under the keys ?

No such thing for me, sorry

I once found one behind the trap-work in a Lester spinet. Gosh that was a pretty thing!



Oh! I have once found one! But it was behind the strings, in front of the soundboard, in a WT, and I couldn't trap it. Since then I tune ET.




I like that. I once thought I found a pure interval under the piano, but it was just a cat pure-ing ;-)


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#2316099 - 08/15/14 10:33 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Cerisano, RPT


I first thought it is too trivial: everyone knows that a wide interval gets even wider if you raise the upper or lower the bottom note and that a narrow interval gets worse when you raise the bottom or lower the top note and everything follows from that.

But then I realized that you need not only know that but you should know it instantaneously without thinking if you want to tune pianos efficiently, and I noticed my response times could be improved upon. So I think it's an excellent quiz!

8. You lowered the top note and a fast beating wide interval beats faster.
A.
The interval was wide.
B.
The top note became sharp.
C.
This question is meaningless

I think the correct answer is D: you lowered the top so much that the interval is now narrower than it was wide. Maybe you meant "flat" in B.

This is probably a very important question: I think everyone has at some time narrowed a too fast beating P4 with it beating slower but narrow instead of wide.

44. You change the bottom note and a fast beating narrow interval beats faster. Was the interval originally wide or narrow?
A.
Wide
B.
Narrow
C.
I don't know

You say the interval was narrow and then you ask if it's narrow or wide. Makes no sense.

47. A fast beating wide interval speeds up.
A.
You raised the top note.
B.
You lowered the top note.
C.
This question is meaningless

Both A and B are correct.

Kees

#2316394 - 08/16/14 09:21 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Hi Kees,

Thanks for the comments.

Here are my responses.

8. I added your answer as the correct one. (I wrote it so the question was meaningless, but I like your answer. It too makes the student think.)

44. Changed to "You change the bottom note and a narrow interval beats faster. Did you raise or lower the bottom note?" Choices: Raise/Lower/Don't know.

47. I added D) Both A and B.


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#2316449 - 08/17/14 02:32 AM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: DoelKees]  
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Originally Posted by DoelKees
[47. A fast beating wide interval speeds up.
A.
You raised the top note.
B.
You lowered the top note.
C.
This question is meaningless

Both A and B are correct.

Kees


Kees, can you explain how could this be assuming that the interval is still wide? (because the question says so)

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#2316503 - 08/17/14 07:50 AM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Allow me.

You can read that the question could imply "A fast beating wide interval speeds up (after slowing down first, passing pure, and then speeding up to end up faster than it started.)"

I assume that's what you were thinking, Kees.

Technical writing is not easy. Thank you to everyone who is trying to help me clarify.



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#2316519 - 08/17/14 08:31 AM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Cerisano, RPT
Allow me.

You can read that the question could imply "A fast beating wide interval speeds up (after slowing down first, passing pure, and then speeding up to end up faster than it started.)"

I assume that's what you were thinking, Kees.

Technical writing is not easy. Thank you to everyone who is trying to help me clarify.



That would be a far-fetched interpretation for a wide interval. Moving pin the more than 25 cents? ha

Just make the quiz 25 questions in 10 minutes, get rid of the ambiguous questions and you are fine.

#2316583 - 08/17/14 01:32 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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True. Kees was the one who mentioned this possibility, and you and he are absolutely right; the questions like that are ambiguous. I will prefer to rewrite the questions to eliminate or reduce the ambiguity.

The quiz is for my students. They need the practice. In my opinion, 50 is not enough ;-)

If you have suggestions as to how to reduce or eliminate any ambiguity, I'm all ears.


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#2316597 - 08/17/14 02:24 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Cerisano, RPT
True. Kees was the one who mentioned this possibility, and you and he are absolutely right; the questions like that are ambiguous. I will prefer to rewrite the questions to eliminate or reduce the ambiguity.

The quiz is for my students. They need the practice. In my opinion, 50 is not enough ;-)

If you have suggestions as to how to reduce or eliminate any ambiguity, I'm all ears.

Hakki, a "fast beating" interval could be taken to mean for example a P4 that beats at 2 bps instead of 1.

I agree more is better, the goal is speed.

I've written many exams and quizzes when I was teaching and I would always run them first by a teaching assistant: they would always find ambiguities. And sometimes at marking time more ambiguities would show up. So I recommend having someone check your quizzes. But you already figured that out obviously...

Kees

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Originally Posted by DoelKees
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Hakki, a "fast beating" interval could be taken to mean for example a P4 that beats at 2 bps instead of 1.

Kees


That's one of the funniest things I have heard in this forum. A SBI becoming FBI. ha

#2316600 - 08/17/14 03:01 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Hakki, you obviously haven't written many exams for students to write, and then listened to them explain why they didn't understand the question. Now THAT stuff is funny!


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Sometimes it is very hard to confess that one is wrong. And the endless bla bla begins.

Whatever.

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Mark,

Is this really that difficult to understand, for your students?

I mean, when I first heard about wide and narrow intervals, it took me a few minutes to understand what was happening.

I tuned a pure fifth and detuned it wide and narrow. It's that simple!



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#2316668 - 08/17/14 06:08 PM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Mark Cerisano]  
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Yes, for some.


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Originally Posted by Hakki
Sometimes it is very hard to confess that one is wrong. And the endless bla bla begins.

Whatever.


Huh?


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Originally Posted by Gadzar
Mark,

Is this really that difficult to understand, for your students?

I mean, when I first heard about wide and narrow intervals, it took me a few minutes to understand what was happening.

I tuned a pure fifth and detuned it wide and narrow. It's that simple!



Ok. Here's an example of the problem:

You tune a temperament and then test it with RBI (M3 chromatic sequence for example) to find notes to be improved.
You find that BD# slows down instead of speeding up.

An RBI is found to be too slow. What is wrong with the interval?
A) Interval is too wide
B) Interval is too narrow

Answer: B)

An interval is too narrow. What could be the problem?
A) Top note is too low
B) Top note is too high
C) Bottom note is too low
D) Bottom note is too high
E) A and/or C
F) A and/or D
G) B and/or C
H) B and/or D

Answer: F)

A top note of a M3 is too low. What will the P4 below sound like?
A) Too wide
B) Pure
C) Narrow
D) A or B
E) B or C

Answer: E)

A top note of a M3 is too low. What will the P5 below sound like?
A) Too narrow
B) Pure
C) Wide
D) B or C

Answer: A)

Now, the tuner plays the P4 and P5 below the top note. (Similar tests can be done with neighbouring M3, M6, inside/outside M3/M6, m3b5, etc.)

If they find a pure or narrow P4 and a too narrow P5, this confirms that the D# needs to be raised. Otherwise, similar analysis needs to be done on B, the lower note of the slow M3, BD#, to confirm if B is too high.

All this for every note that could be improved. It requires lightning fast analysis of second nature. I can do it while listening to the T.V. or talking to the customer. Just being able to rationalize all the possibilities is not good enough. It has to be ingrained.

How? Simple. Tune a 1000 pianos. Or...

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#2316809 - 08/18/14 03:04 AM Re: Try my quiz on narrow, wide and pure intervals. [Re: Hakki]  
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Originally Posted by Hakki
Sometimes it is very hard to confess that one is wrong. And the endless bla bla begins.

Whatever.

Looks like Hakki is intent to pick a fight. I consider this troll behavior which should be met with ignorance (do not feed the troll!).

Mark, I was going to mention once you get to the checks it's going to be important that you know this material very well (fast response time). I know you know this I just want to say I agree.

I know all the tests for P4 wide P4 narrow/perfect P5 etc but I'm too slow to ever make it as an aural tuner as I have
to think about it every time. So I can tune a piano aurally in 8 hrs, but how to tune it in 45mins? Answer: be able to answer these seemingly trivial questions instantaneously!

How do you learn this? Exactly like you propose, with drills.

Kees

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I think this is the difference between an aural tuner and an ETD tuner. When you tune aurally you make a lot of tests without even thinking of them. It is like riding a bike or driving a car. You do not think at every move you do, you just do it.

In the M6-M10, M3-M6, M3-M10, P4-P5, etc... tests you don't think which interval must beat faster and by how much. You just play and as soon as you hear you know if the interval is right and you correct it if not, it's automatic.

An ETD tuner has visual skills and when making aural tests he must think of what these sounds mean and how to correct them.





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Originally Posted by Gadzar
I think this is the difference between an aural tuner and an ETD tuner. When you tune aurally you make a lot of tests without even thinking of them. It is like riding a bike or driving a car. You do not think at every move you do, you just do it.

That's right. Even incorporating new checks and tests settles into the tuning routine as automatic. If asked what they are and quizzed on specifics, I couldn't tell you and even if I could, I'd probably choose not to just to avoid argument and quibbling.

I used to tell beginning aural tuners that for the first five years or so they would probably tune like scientists before they switched eventually to tuning like artists.


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