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#2310955 - 08/04/14 11:20 AM New Themed Recital suggestions  
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I had resurrected the Tchaikovsky thread and really should have created a new one. I'd love to hear some more suggestions. Here's what's been said so far:

Originally Posted by Morodiene
So I haven't seen any discussions come up about the next Themed Recital. I know on PC there's the Suites one, but I really enjoy these that are surrounding one composer - perhaps one that I haven't had a chance to explore too much.

So any thoughts? Anyone interested in starting a new one, and which composer will it be?


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Schumann!!!!


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There has been plenty of interest and some discussion about it, but no consensus arrived at. We had talked about moving towards the 20th century and various genres discussed, including POP (Beatles or other) Standards/show tunes (Gershwin or other) and the like. The trouble was with adequate choice, interest, and/or limited, or no availability of non-copyrighted material. Each time, the discussion faded away. But, I agree that now (or by September) would be a good time to pick a winner for next March 15th, 2015 recital date.

There is such a broad array of preferences, seems to be part of the challenge too. Why not hit some composers we know many people like to play, with plenty of non-copyrighted material available, and all really great. Like ...

Chopin

The more obscure ones of course can be really great, but tougher to get going it seems.

I would be happy to help get it started, once we know what we want.



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I think with Chopin we would be excluding a lot of the beginners here since he has very few simpler pieces. Schumann, however, has his Album for the Young and difficulty level goes up from there. I think Schumann is a great suggestion.

Another good choice would be Bartok (and would accommodate the 20th century idea). Perhaps doing ALL of the Mikrokosmos would be a hugely ambitious endeavor - one where I think many people would have to take on several pieces at once, but it's all accessible on IMSLP. I think there are 153 pieces in Mikrokosmos, but even if we got a good representation of them it would be fine. Kind of like what we did for Tchaikovsky, not really able to get everything he wrote completed, but a respectable representation. Perhaps with Bartok we could allow stuff outside Mikrokosmos too.




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#2310959 - 08/04/14 11:26 AM Re: New Themed Recital suggestions [Re: Morodiene]  
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Another vote for Schumann. One of my favorites and for some reason I don't play any of his stuff.

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+1 for Schumann. I'm learning Kinderszene no. 1, but I don't think it will be ready any time soon, so I may pick up something from Album for the Young.


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Originally Posted by sinophilia
+1 for Schumann. I'm learning Kinderszene no. 1, but I don't think it will be ready any time soon ...


+ 1 - Bach
+ 1 - Beethoven
+ 1 - Chopin

I'm still on the fence with Schumann, pending investigation forthcoming. + 0 for now.

New ...

+ 1 - Clementi
+ 1 - Schubert

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Another vote for Schumann wink Oh no I already did laugh

When it will be Chopin I think the only piece I might be able to play is the Posthumous Valse in A Minor.. Not that much choice and I would probably do really bad since Chopin is musically even more difficult than technically.

Bach and Beethoven have a broader repertoire for Adult Beginners.


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Greener: I'll respond to your post in the other topic here. Regarding unfamiliar composers, I have learned so much having participated in these recitals. I didn't know any Grieg pieces, nor had I really worked on Much Mendelssohn except for 1 or 2. Tchaikovsky, I knew some of the easier pieces but it was neat to learn a lot more about his more difficult works.

Personally, I think there's a charm to these recitals when some of the music is a little off the beaten path. I love Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, etc., but I also finding new loves. So for me there's a new discovery of repertoire that I enjoy so much.

I'm in the same boat as you for Schumann. I know several of his art songs, but I haven't explored any of his piano beyond rep for students. I would love to see why people seem to love his piano works. There's just so much music out there, it's hard to take time away from the standards of Bach, Beethoven, etc. to try them out. So it's a bit of expanding one's horizons.


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I agree that even the "easy" Chopin (isn't that a contradiction in terms?) is beyond many of us (including myself)......

My vote would be for Schumann or Bach (any of the Bach's)

I like Clementi - but truly have no clue as to how much material he might have at an approachable level.

What about Heller?


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Forgot to comment on Clementi. Personally, I find his music pretty average musically, so I probably wouldn't participate in something like that.

Also forgot to mention that since I'm instigating this, I'm offering to "run" it, but I'd need lots of help from those who have done these before as to the format. wink

Heller, I don't know much about him apart from a few etudes, but it seems he had a respectable output. This would be an interesting choice. I'm listening to some of his stuff on youtube and finding it quite beautiful. I encourage people to listen and see what they think. He does have some intermediate works for which he is better know, I think.


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I would love to learn some Schumann. So +1 for me.

Also prokofiev could be a good choice. I played a prelude from opus 12 once. Nice music!


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So the options so far:

Schumann
Bach
Beethoven
Chopin
Clementi
Schubert
Heller
Prokofiev
Bartok

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Dmitry Kabalevsky,
Aram Kachaturian,

From extremely easy to very difficult.... and different from the usual soup. :-)



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Originally Posted by Ataru074
Dmitry Kabalevsky,
Aram Kachaturian,

From extremely easy to very difficult.... and different from the usual soup. :-)


Ooo, a couple of great suggestions! Really, I'd be up to doing any of them (except Clementi) wink


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Originally Posted by Ataru074
Dmitry Kabalevsky,
Aram Kachaturian,

From extremely easy to very difficult.... and different from the usual soup. :-)


I would vote for either, but their stuff is still under copyright. *edit* I think it is, I should say. Not sure how to check...

I'd be happy with a choice that has some early intermediate-level-friendly pieces- Schumann would be fun I think.

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Originally Posted by Ataru074
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Yes! Or why not Shostakovich, he also has wonderful pieces that range from easy to...well you know smile

Does it have to be just one composer btw? We could also have a soviet theme... Any composer who lived and worked in the Soviet Union...?

OH, and has there ever been a Scarlatti recital? There would surely be something for everybody there!

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Don`t bother with a German Theme . . . .we could have one composer each . . .


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Originally Posted by outo

... why not Shostakovich, he also has wonderful pieces that range from easy to...well you know smile

There are many excellent composers that could likely fill the bill. As we open up more possibilities, so do we open up more discussion and challenge towards deciding on one.
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Does it have to be just one composer btw? We could also have a soviet theme... Any composer who lived and worked in the Soviet Union...?

Great idea too. But, as above, not sure where we might go with that before deciding.
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I'm just desperately trying to come up with suggestions, so that it won't be Schumann or Bach...anything else, pretty please... smile

Or Mozart or Beethoven...I think anyone else will do... laugh

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I think let's keep it simple and stick to one composer for this. Something about studying one composer's works like this I find to be very enlightening. Not a bad idea, but we do have to draw a line somewhere smile

It is looking like a lot of interest for Schumann.



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Originally Posted by Morodiene
I think let's keep it simple and stick to one composer for this. Something about studying one composer's works like this I find to be very enlightening. Not a bad idea, but we do have to draw a line somewhere smile

It is looking like a lot of interest for Schumann.



Sigh... But I'm sure you're right, one composer is interesting.

One question from a newbie, is only one recording of a piece allowed? So if something is already picked, then others cannot do it?

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Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by Morodiene
I think let's keep it simple and stick to one composer for this. Something about studying one composer's works like this I find to be very enlightening. Not a bad idea, but we do have to draw a line somewhere smile

It is looking like a lot of interest for Schumann.



Sigh... But I'm sure you're right, one composer is interesting.

One question from a newbie, is only one recording of a piece allowed? So if something is already picked, then others cannot do it?


The way we've done these in the past is that duplicates of the same piece are not permitted, but a person can do several different pieces. Usually we let people go through a round of picking one piece, and then once that slows down we let people pick duplicates.

At this point, however, no one is selecting anything until we officially figure out what we're doing smile.


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Originally Posted by JimF
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Ravel and Debussy don't have simpler pieces, but I do love them. American Songbook - great stuff, but not really along the same lines as what we've done before due to it not being all one composer.


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I'd try to participate if the theme were any of the following:

Standards/Show Tunes
Bach
Schumann
Chopin
Prokofiev
Bartok
Scriabin
Latin American compositions

I'm with Morodienne on Clementi; I'd rather not.

I've played very little Beethoven on piano (lots in the orchestra); does his work provide a spectrum of pieces available to players of different ability levels?


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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
I'd try to participate if the theme were any of the following:

Standards/Show Tunes
Bach
Schumann
Chopin
Prokofiev
Bartok
Scriabin
Latin American compositions

I'm with Morodienne on Clementi; I'd rather not.

I've played very little Beethoven on piano (lots in the orchestra); does his work provide a spectrum of pieces available to players of different ability levels?
Yes, he has a few intermediate pieces. I'm not sure how many, though.


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A broad selection of pieces at different levels is appealing for many. And Schumann qualifies. I extracted Schumann's pieces that are included in the "graded pieces" repertoire (can be found on this forum by searching) and then came up with the following. I didn't research any of this and did not attempt to edit anything below.

Opus 68 (Album for the Very Young) has 40 pieces, not listed here.
And, of course, Opus 15 is the delightful Kinderszenen series.

Difficulty levels are from 1 (easy) to 8 (advanced)

1 Melody, Op 68 No. 01
2 Stckchen, Op 68 No. 05
2 The Poor Orphan, Op 68 No.06
2 Doll's Cradle Song, Op 68/?
3 The Wild Horseman, (Wilder Reiter), Op 68 No.08
4 Sonata in G, Op 118 No. 01 Allegro, 2nd mvt
4 Reaper's Song, Op 68 No. 18
4 About Strange Lands and People , Op 15 No 1
5 A Strange Story
5 Glckes genug, Op 15 No. 05
5 Kind im Einschlummern, from 'Kinderscenen', Op 15
5 Reiterstck, from 'Album for the Young' Op 68 No. 23
5 Lento, from 'Album for the Young' Op 68/?
5 Abendlied, Op 118, no 2/3
5 Slumber Song, Op 124 No. 16
6 Arabesque Op. 18 Beautiful haunting melody
6 (Untitled piece) Op 68/30
6 Catch Me if You Can, Kinderscenen, Op 15 No. 03
6 Dreaming
6 Einsame Blumen (Lonely Flowers), from Waldscenen, Op 82
6 The Entreating Child, Kinderscenen, Op 15 No. 04
6 Waltz, Op 124 No. 15
6 The Wayside Inn, Waldscenen, Op 82 No. 06
7 Romance in F#, Op 28 No. 02
7 Charming Landscape, Op 82 No. 05
7 Canon, from Sonata, Op 118 No. 02
7 Davidsbundlert nz, Op 6, no 2
7 Novelette in B minor, Op 99 No. 09
7 Impromptu, Op 124 No. 01
7 Sonata in D, Op.118 No.2 2nd mvt, Canon
7 Albumblter III, Op 99 No. 06
7 Novelette in D, Op 21 No. 04
8 Abschied no 9 from Waldscenen, Op 82
8 Eintritt no 1 from Waldscenen, Op 82
8 Vogel als Prophet no 7 from Waldscenen, Op 82
unrated Bunte Blatter Op. 99 (I particularly like nos. 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10) No. 9
unrated Album Blatter Op. 124 "(I particularly like nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 16, 17)"

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Level 4 but varies widely: Album for the young op. 68
There are over 40 exceptional pieces in this set, but only the first ten or so are really for beginners. The cycle is a totally shattering profile of spiritual development, beginning with the innocently naive and childish nos. 1 & 5, where no shadows are yet to be found. With no. 6 comes the first small cloud (The poor orphan)[?] with nos 12 and 13 the cycle leaves behind the child's world. In the second section, the tone changes, with a contrast between the friendly A major of nos. 20, 22, 24, and 28 and the intervening pieces like the sad no. 19, the magnificently inspired nos. 21 and 26 the sinister no. 23 the excited no. 25. The last ten numbers are wonderful examples of the uniquely introverted worlds of late Schumann.


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Schumann
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Of this list, my favs would be:

Schumann, Beethoven, Chopin (hard though!), and Bartok. Others are probably fine but I'm less familiar with them.

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Originally Posted by peterws
Don`t bother with a German Theme . . . .we could have one composer each . . .


And I thought Edward German was a single English composer.

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Originally Posted by AZ_Astro
Of this list, my favs would be:

Schumann, Beethoven, Chopin (hard though!), and Bartok. Others are probably fine but I'm less familiar with them.


I could manage these except for Chopin. I'm at least two years away from the easiest Chopin. Don't imagine you guys putting off the recital until 2016....

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I'm listening to Schumann just to see what I could potentially be getting myself into, and I'm not really liking it. I can see the appeal of the harder pieces to virtuoso pianists, but musically...meh.


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