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Which digital piano has the heaviest keys? #2299674
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I'm on a rotational program and can only carry around a digital piano due to my frequent moving (every 6 months to a year).

I'm looking to upgrade mine since the DP is outdated (the note doesn't stay for long when you hold it, the pedal has a funky action, etc.). I prefer the grand piano feel with very heavy hammer key action. I find it difficult to transition from a lightweight key action to a heavy action in performance.

I find that the Yamaha DP line is a little on the light feel. What's the heaviest feeling digital pianos on the market?

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Originally Posted by T B
I find that the Yamaha DP line is a little on the light feel. What's the heaviest feeling digital pianos on the market?

Yamaha has different models with different actions, some are light, some are heavier. But probably the heaviest I've seen is the Kawai MP10. I haven't tried the newer MP11.

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The Kawai VPC1 have a heavier feel to it (RM3-II action) than the MP11 (GF action). The heaviness is found more in the tops of the keys because of the pivot point of the RM3-II action. I really liked it, but needed the on-board sounds for teaching and the occasional gig, so I went with the MP11 in the end. However, I highly recommend the VPC1 if using a computer for software sounds is doable for you.


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If you need a full DP, not just a midi controller, another heavy touch action is Roland Ivory feel G (found on FP50 for instance). It has its detractors on this forum and I am certain some some will come here to say they don't like it, but I find it pretty good and realistic compared to an acoustic grand (personally I prefer to Yahama's action, especially to the light touch GHS but also to GH). Sure the VPC1 action is better but I suggest you try it yourself (without being influenced by its detractors). Having said that, this action has its supporters too, especially among those that like heavy touch actions. I don't recommend GF for you, too light (although with a nice long key travel).


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Re: Which digital piano has the heaviest keys? [Re: T B] #2305652
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The heaviest keys were probably the first generation Kawai MP8. The MP8II was a bit lighter and that seems to be the trend going forward (but lighter keys potentially allow for faster action).

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To make the decision a little tougher... smile

Yamaha's full actions such as GH, GH3, NW and the brand new NWX are quite heavy. It's a matter of taste, for example I prefer the Kawai actions (except for the Avantgrand...) but many people likes Yamaha.

As long as I guess you may need a portable instrument, you may take a look to the new Yamaha CP4, which has semi wooden keys that in my opinion are quite heavy. The entire instrument weights almost a half the marvelous Kawai MP-11 does so it may be a nice alternative easier to move. With plastic keys you have the CP-40 and the P-255, this one with built-in speakers. You talked about Yamaha being lightweight. I guess you refer to the models with the very lightweight GHS action (such as the P-35 and P-105).

On the mid weight of keys side you have the Rolands FP-80 (with speakers) and the RD-800 (without). They have plastic keys. The feel is not as heavy as on the above mentioned keyboards but they are (on my point of view) incredibly responsive.

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Yesterday I went to a couple of music shops to try some digitals and acoustics. I could try the CLP575 with a NWX, which is pretty heavy, heavier than than my digital FP-4F (virtually the same piano as FP50) with Ivory feels g and than the action of the p255 that was there too. The action feels pretty good, but the sound is not what I like best (CFX sounds better than the Bonsendorfer out of the box however). I prefer the kawai sound for instance. I would say that this action is almost as heavy as that of my baby grand (which has a particularly heavy action, heavier than average, if "average" exists...) and heavier than that of some baby grands (notably kawai) that I played side by side yesterday.
As for Roland, Ivory feel s (FP80) is pretty light, PHAIV concert is mid-weight and Ivory feel g rather "heavy" touch. I also played the lightweight and cheap P35 yesterday. Well the action is the lightest and I don't like it, but was impressed with the sound, it's pretty loud and good (with onboard speakers) for this category and sounded better than Kawai ES100 and Casio px100 that were next to it (however Kawai on headphones is pretty good too, while I don't like the casio piano sound). The Casio action is a bit lighter than the ivory feel g for instance, but feels very good. What feels a bit strange is the "rough" surface of the keys, which I haven't found on other DPs or acoustics...


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Originally Posted by T B
What's the heaviest feeling digital pianos on the market?

I'm using a VPC1 which I find to be on the acceptably heavy side. I've not tried any other of the newer crop of DPs so can't offer up a comparison but I'd be surprised if there were anything much heavier. It's also very heavy in weight! If that's a consideration look at some of the Casio range which are much more forgiving on the spine while being lighter in action but not too much so.

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How about the RH2 action on the Kawai MP7? Is it lighter/heavier to let's say the GH action on the Yamaha P255?

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Originally Posted by Delphian2001
How about the RH2 action on the Kawai MP7? Is it lighter/heavier to let's say the GH action on the Yamaha P255?


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Bummer! How about the action on Roland RD-700 / RD-800?

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The RD700 is even lighter than RHII (ES7 etc), the RD800 is similar but slightly heavier and more cushioned than the RD700. That's why the PHAIII (RD700) is so good - it's like a grand regulated to a lighter feel. Decisive and responsive, but not heavy and viscous like so many DPs seem to be.


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So to the DP experts here who have tried many portable/stage pianos, in your opinion, which brand/models have the heaviest action regardless of price?

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Originally Posted by AlanD
The heaviest keys were probably the first generation Kawai MP8. The MP8II was a bit lighter and that seems to be the trend going forward (but lighter keys potentially allow for faster action).


Yup, this sounds right. I own a first generation MP8 and it's pretty meaty. The difference isn't huge, though. For a time I owned both this and a Yamaha P80 and going back and forth the difference in weight wasn't as noticeable as seemingly unimportant things like the sculping of the keys (and obviously the sound).

Key weight is, of course, difficult to measure because there is upweight, downweight, dynamic weight, and also the difference in weight between the front of the key and the back. All these parameters change across manufacturers and models, so we often have disagreements about which piano has a heavier action.

By the way, the MP8 is also quieter and more cushioned than the P80 was so I think it's actually less fatiguing to play, though it may have more mass in the keys. Lots of variables...

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