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#2307881 - 07/27/14 05:43 PM Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on?  
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Right now I'm learning piano using a 61-key Yamaha keyboard. The keys are lightweight and offer little resistance, however, it's the right size, weight, and price for my current limitations.

Can I continue to use this for the first six months or so of my piano education, or will this cause problems when I transition to a proper piano or keyboard with weighted keys?

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This is the song I'm currently learning: http://www.johnbarry.org.uk/sheetmusic/somewhere-in-time.pdf
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#2307886 - 07/27/14 05:51 PM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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You would not be the first to start your journey with a keyboard.


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#2307954 - 07/27/14 10:38 PM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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It will be different but not something you cannot overcome in a short time.


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#2307983 - 07/28/14 01:09 AM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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No problem at all provided that once in a while you also get a little time on a real piano or even a weighted, velocity sensitive keyboard. Maybe a school, church, or some other place....?

When you move up to a good instrument, a little time on the old unweighted one now and then can help you build versatility. I have one, and it reveals places where I'm getting sloppy and putting pressure on keys that aren't supposed to be played.

The thing that will cause you some temporary trouble is having only one instrument for a long time. You get accustomed to its action only, and any other instrument will be very difficult to adapt to at first. But in a month or two you can get past that.



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#2307987 - 07/28/14 01:28 AM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: JohnSprung]  
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung


When you move up to a good instrument, a little time on the old unweighted one now and then can help you build versatility. I have one, and it reveals places where I'm getting sloppy and putting pressure on keys that aren't supposed to be played.



Real good advice here. Never thought of this.


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#2308024 - 07/28/14 06:20 AM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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Don't worry about keyboard vs piano at the moment. At the early stages its more about the learning how to read music, rhythms and the general co ordination between brain and figures in both hands.

Later when you get better a piano would be ideal. It will feel a little weird at first but it will not take long to adjust to the piano as all your foundations will be there.

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#2308070 - 07/28/14 09:08 AM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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Originally Posted by Alex1
Right now I'm learning piano using a 61-key Yamaha keyboard. The keys are lightweight and offer little resistance, however, it's the right size, weight, and price for my current limitations.

Can I continue to use this for the first six months or so of my piano education, or will this cause problems when I transition to a proper piano or keyboard with weighted keys?


This is exactly how I started, so my experience might be of interest in a small way.

I started with a Yamaha E333 61-key electronic keyboard. I'd never played a piano in my life before (that's not exaggeration), until I was 62. It took me many months of constant practice, on my own, to get to the stage where I could play simple pieces (one note on each hand, no chords), and I loved it. It taught me perseverance, still the most valuable lesson I have learned. I assumed that the transfer to a 'proper' keyboard would be uneventful and without difficulty, since my fingers would 'know' where to go, no matter what the keyboard (as long as the black keys weren't painted on, of course).

Then came the stage where I knew I needed a teacher, so I found one, and happily, I hit 'gold' first time. In my first session with her, she sat me down at a full-sized keyboard (a Clavinova, which she uses to 'transition' students brought up on small keyboard to prepare them for the grand), and asked me to play a piece I knew well, just by way of assessing where I was. So I began to play a little minuet by Rameau, which I'd been practising for months, and could play with my eyes close (literally).

Within five seconds, everything fell over. My fingers forgot where to go, and it took me three or four restarts to get through it to the end. I was completely unprepared for the effect of the difference in 'tactile feedback' and the big difference in apparent effort required to make a note sound. I knew then that I'd have to move up to something nearer a full-sized and more realistically 'weighted' keyboard. Within a fortnight, I had tried out several models, and my then budget settled on a DGX640 Yamaha, and the E333 was given to a friend. (I've since added a Clavinova CLP470, with an acoustic now in the plans.)

However, it didn't take long to get adjusted ; one of my first lessons, after all, had been the value of perseverance, so I knew not to be discouraged, and after a couple of months on the Clavinova, she put me on to the Steinway for my now weekly lessons.

I don't regret a second of the time I spent with the little Yamaha keyboard. I learned a lot with it, had a great deal of joy from it, it helped with my sight-reading, and it made me realise that this was what I wanted to do. It gave me a leg up to a pastime I can't get enough of, at an age way beyond what I thought would ever be possible.



#2308073 - 07/28/14 09:23 AM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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While it is not ideal, I have worked with students who start out on a non-weighted keyboard. I highly recommend you upgrade as soon as possible. You say 6 months, and I think that's the maximum you should go. There's no set rule, but as you progress you will be asked to do things that you cannot accomplish easily (or at all) on unweighted keys. This leads to frustration and to quitting, so keep that in mind.


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#2308078 - 07/28/14 09:38 AM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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I started on a Yamaha PSR-350, used it for many years and got a Casio PX-150 last year. It was a comfortable change for me.

#2308279 - 07/28/14 07:40 PM Re: Will starting on unweighted keys cause problems later on? [Re: Alex1]  
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Thank you all. I'm glad to hear this.


This is the song I'm currently learning: http://www.johnbarry.org.uk/sheetmusic/somewhere-in-time.pdf

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