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Re: Beethoven's ten greatest sonatas? [Re: JoelW] #2301162
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I think you should change the title to "favorite"... I know it's not the same thing, but ranking 'greatness' is a bit juvenile, isn't it? Ranks in general IMO... Either that or I'm missing the point. Is it 'greatest' as in 'best'?
Anyways, I'll use some space here to express my love for Op.27 No. 1. Such an underrated sonata! I absolutely love it.

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I have soft spots for certain G major movements with surprising moments and wistful secondary themes... last movement of op. 14/2, last movement of op.49/1, first movement of op.78.

This summer, my musical world is op.109-111, three hours a day. It's beyond "favorites".

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Originally Posted by Francisco Scalco

Anyways, I'll use some space here to express my love for Op.27 No. 1. Such an underrated sonata! I absolutely love it.

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Originally Posted by Francisco Scalco
I think you should change the title to "favorite"....

Good job. I wasn't gonna go near "greatest." ha

1. Op. 110
2. 109
3. 78
4. 27/2 (Moonlight) (sorry) grin
5. 31/2 (Tempest)
6. 10/3 (D major)
7. Spring grin
8. Op. 13 (Pathetique)
9. Op. 28 (Pastorale)
10. All of the others (tied), close behind smile

Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by Francisco Scalco

Anyways, I'll use some space here to express my love for Op.27 No. 1. Such an underrated sonata! I absolutely love it.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
4. 27/2 (Moonlight) (sorry) grin

I've always been turned off by this piece because of a bad association. Five years ago I knew this guy (was part of my group of friends, though he always annoyed me personally). He once asked me for an easy classical piece to impress people with. He chose the first movement of this sonata and ever since then I can't hear it without thinking of him.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Originally Posted by Mark_C
4. 27/2 (Moonlight) (sorry) grin

I've always been turned off by this piece because of a bad association. Five years ago I knew this guy (was part of my group of friends, though he always annoyed me personally). He once asked me for an easy classical piece to impress people with. He chose the first movement of this sonata and ever since then I can't hear it without thinking of him.

I think I would too, except that the other movements aren't also blasphemed. ha
The other two movements are what do it for me.

I have a friend who doesn't play piano except that he learned this 1st mvt, note by note, and can play through it (and has done so a few thousand times). He gives me credit for having taught it to him, and maybe I should accept it (y'know, "gift horse in the mouth" and all that) grin except that it's completely false. And actually I think the person who taught it to him was another friend who has became sort of a famous pianist but somehow he managed to forget that.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
He chose the first movement of this sonata and ever since then I can't hear it without thinking of him.
Clearly, it didn't impress you.


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Les Adieux, and op.101 for me


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
1. Op. 110
2. 109
3. 78
4. 27/2 (Moonlight) (sorry) grin
5. 31/2 (Tempest)
6. 10/3 (D major)
7. Spring grin
8. Op. 13 (Pathetique)
9. Op. 28 (Pastorale)
10. All of the others (tied), close behind smile

By the way, thanks for being the only one to actually address the question of this thread correctly. cursing ... smile

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Originally Posted by JoelW

By the way, thanks for being the only one to actually address the question of this thread correctly. cursing ... smile

Mark C didn't address it correctly because the Op. 53 is missing.

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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Mark C didn't address it correctly because the Op. 53 is missing. wink

Oh yeah -- my bad. grin


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Originally Posted by Mark_C



^ What's this doing here?

Or perhaps if it is as hot in NYC as it is in Seattle (eeck), then you could blame it on the heat!


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Originally Posted by argerichfan
^ What's this doing here?

Whaddaya mean? You said Op. 53!

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
1. Op. 110
2. 109
3. 78
4. 27/2 (Moonlight) (sorry) grin
5. 31/2 (Tempest)
6. 10/3 (D major)
7. Spring grin
8. Op. 13 (Pathetique)
9. Op. 28 (Pastorale)
10. All of the others (tied), close behind smile

Good point: then I expand on my list:
Les Adieux, op.101, op.69, op.102/1


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111
109
106
110
101
78
81a
57
53
90

In approximately that order.

This is the correct list. All other lists are categorically wrong. grin


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I really can't stomach 106... It's just so... massive. I don't know, I really can't digest it.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by argerichfan
^ What's this doing here?

Whaddaya mean? You said Op. 53!

Yeah, I meant you bypassed Scriabin 5. Oh wait, this thread is about Beethoven... laugh


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Originally Posted by JoelW
By the way, thanks for being the only one to actually address the question of this thread correctly. cursing ... smile
Why don't you give us your list? It's easy to pose a question.


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Op. 109 has had me for the past couple of weeks; I want to finish the rest of the triptych by the end of the summer. I also really like 27/2, but I feel it's likened for the wrong reasons; i.e. there is no moonlight, and you shouldn't be listening for that cliche. And this is very biased but I can't listen to enough of the violin sonatas; Op. 12/3, Kreutzer, Spring, 30/1, and 30/2 are all incredible. In particular, I feel like 30/2 should be on the same level as the "named" sonatas; to me it speaks more than the Spring or Kreutzer.

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Originally Posted by Francisco Scalco
I really can't stomach 106... It's just so... massive. I don't know, I really can't digest it.

Hey matey, I don't know how old you are or what your experience is, but I wouldn't worry about it. Give it some time.

I first heard the 106 via Schnabel's recording when I was around 14 or so. His interpretation was just so monumentally crazy; I knew I had stumbled upon something for the spheres. Even given Schnabel's slightly unkempt pianism, no other recording I have subsequently heard has ever fired me up to that degree.

If I could go back in time, I would give anything to have heard Liszt play it. Berlioz -no slouch musically- was extremely impressed.


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My favourite Beethoven sonatas to play:
27/2
13
31/2
10/1

My favourite Beethoven sonatas to listen to, if not included above:
57
53
81a

That's seven. To complete the list, I'll add Beethoven sonatas that have single movements I like.
2/3
2/1
110


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Originally Posted by patH
....I'll add Beethoven sonatas that have single movements I like.
2/3
2/1
110

I would say Op. 110 doesn't have a movement that's single. [Linked Image]

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For me, this is a tough call. I actually don't like every movement of every Beethoven Sonata. I can say Pathetique tops the lists, and Moonlight is probably right behind it -- but that's only because I like all the movements. For example, I prefer the Tempest 1st and 3rd mvt, but the 2nd mvt doesn't do it for me, so I can't rank it higher. I also like 31/3. Doubt that will be on many people's lists, but I enjoy it.

I'll double-down and up the ante on Mark's so-called "blasphemy" of putting the Moonlight on the list by saying it's also on my list, and I'm willing to be none of the later sonatas make the cut...


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10 favourites:

1. Op. 109.
2. Op. 110.
3. Op. 57.
4. Op. 27 No. 1.
5. Op. 27 No. 2
6. Op. 81a.
7. Op. 53.
8. Op. 13.
9. Op. 106.
10. Op. 2, No. 3.

Hon mention: Op. 10, No. 3.

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Originally Posted by Derulux
For example, I prefer the Tempest 1st and 3rd mvt, but the 2nd mvt doesn't do it for me

Wow, I love that movement


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By the way, thanks for being the only one to actually address the question of this thread correctly. cursing ... smile
Why don't you give us your list? It's easy to pose a question.

I don't know if I'm in love with Beethoven enough to write a top ten list in order, so I'll just list the one's I like.

Op. 13 is one of if not my favorite one. I think the writing is stellar all the way through. There isn't a boring second in the whole sonata. I also have a history with this piece. I grew up watching comedians like Rowan Atkinson, and one of his sketches included this piece. Upon rediscovering Op. 13 in the past couple of years or so, it was very nostalgic for me. That could play a role in why I love it so much, but again, I don't think that negates the genius of the writing.

Other sonatas I like:

Op. 2, 14, 53, 57 and 111 (which I'm still digesting) I'll give it some more active listening soon. I do like it so far though.

I'm sure there are more, but those come to mind first.

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I guess I'd have to say my 10 favorites are mostly, but not all, those that I chose to work on. In order of Opus Number, they are:

Op 7
Op 10 - 3
Op 13 ("Pathetique")
Op 26
Op 31 - 2 ("Tempest")
Op 31 - 3
Op 53 ("Waldstein")
Op 90
Op 101
Op 109

I do very much like Op 79 as well, but consider that a Sonatina rather than a Sonata (it is listed that way in my edition.)

I am surprised that nobody at all mentioned Op 7, and that there was only one vote for 31 - 3 -- the latter in particular is for me a total success. Also, Op 90 is for me a highly concise and original imagining of what a Sonata could be, just quite unique in its effect.




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Originally Posted by phantomFive
Originally Posted by Derulux
For example, I prefer the Tempest 1st and 3rd mvt, but the 2nd mvt doesn't do it for me

Wow, I love that movement

Yeah, I get that a lot when I tell people my preferences.. haha I don't know why it just doesn't do it for me. When I performed it, I usually played it a hair fast, and for me, that was tolerable, but I just never really got into it. I might have been to young to appreciate it at the time.. perhaps I should go back to it?


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