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Re: Doesn't anyone like the Yamaha GH1?!!
musicpassion #2298904 07/05/14 01:39 PM
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Customers may think the Tech is making excuses for the tuning instability. They may try to "blame" her/him and seek another tuner. Some people can be very distrusting. The tech may use an ETD and the customer may have doubts about their skills.


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Re: Doesn't anyone like the Yamaha GH1?!!
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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Customers may think the Tech is making excuses for the tuning instability. They may try to "blame" her/him and seek another tuner. Some people can be very distrusting. The tech may use an ETD and the customer may have doubts about their skills.

Interesting - I can see where that would be a problem. I wonder if some technicians decline the job.


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Thanks everyone for your input!

The seriel # on the GH1 was B5161150; does this mean it is a Gh1B?
I had a technician check it out, and honestly, he didn't have any concerns about the piano - or any future tuning issues. I guess we'll see.

I bargained with the owner, and was able to get it for 4K (which seems MUCH better than the prices on Ebay that I saw).

Figure if I don't like it, I can always trade it in..

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You are talking about an entry-level piano from Japan. For about the same money, I think you could get a much better piano from China. I know there is a lot of prejudice against Chinese pianos, but if you search these pages you will find many people who have had pleasant experiences with the better ones. You just have to be careful and do some research.

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I hope you enjoy the piano. The serial number indicates it was made later part of 1992. It's still a GH1. Without seeing it, the price sounds good compared to what they appraise for. You might have found a special one. Best wishes.


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Re: Doesn't anyone like the Yamaha GH1?!!
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What else have you looked at and played??

I'm not sure what a 24 yr old GH1 appraises at. Have you talked to your local dealer to ask what trade value they would offer?


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Re: Doesn't anyone like the Yamaha GH1?!!
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Yes, it is a GH1B.

There were several significant differences between the G Series and C Series when the C Series was first introduced.

1. Originally the c Series was only made in 6'1" and larger grands.
2. They has different alloy plates (harder in the c Series)
3. Their rims were alternating hardwood and softwood laminates.
4. They had denser hammerfelts, walnut hammer cores and tapered hammershanks in the treble.
5. They had beveled lids.

Many of these features were eventually incorporated in the C1 and C2, but not for years after they were introduced.

These differences produced a brighter tone with more power.


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Re: Doesn't anyone like the Yamaha GH1?!!
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Thank you!
Its so interesting to me ( a novice) how the environment makes such a difference to the sound of a piano!

When we first checked out the GH1(?B) it was in a room with hard wood floors and low ceilings and bare walls, and it did sound a bit "harsh" and loud.

In our home, it is on carpet with couches around, and a 20 ' ceiling, it sounds so much more mellow!

The other piano we were considering was a 30 yo Howard C171 for $3800...that my technician wanted to do $1000 worth of regulating and voicing. I'm happy with my GH1! I'll guess I'll have to see how the tuning issues go...

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There were several significant differences between the G Series and C Series when the C Series was first introduced.

1. Originally the c Series was only made in 6'1" and larger grands.
2. They has different alloy plates (harder in the c Series)
3. Their rims were alternating hardwood and softwood laminates.
4. They had denser hammerfelts, walnut hammer cores and tapered hammershanks in the treble.
5. They had beveled lids.

Many of these features were eventually incorporated in the C1 and C2, but not for years after they were introduced.

These differences produced a brighter tone with more power.


In hindsight one wonders if these changes were so smart.

Personally I have always thought some of the older G-series sounded much nicer than todays C's

'Brightness by design' [some call it 'harshness'..] is not exactly where I see the taste of music lovers developing to.\

It never has in Europe and it seems far less here on this continent today.

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Re: Doesn't anyone like the Yamaha GH1?!!
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There were several significant differences between the G Series and C Series when the C Series was first introduced.

1. Originally the c Series was only made in 6'1" and larger grands.
2. They has different alloy plates (harder in the c Series)
3. Their rims were alternating hardwood and softwood laminates.
4. They had denser hammerfelts, walnut hammer cores and tapered hammershanks in the treble.
5. They had beveled lids.

Many of these features were eventually incorporated in the C1 and C2, but not for years after they were introduced.

These differences produced a brighter tone with more power.


In hindsight one wonders if these changes were so smart.

Personally I have always thought some of the older G-series sounded much nicer than todays C's

'Brightness by design' [some call it 'harshness'..] is not exactly where I see the taste of music lovers developing to.\

It never has in Europe and it seems far less here on this continent today.

Norbert


I basically agree. Those who like the bright, clear and powerful sound found in those Yamaha models will be well satisfied.

Those looking for a mellower and/or more harmonic content will go elsewhere.


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Ok, I'm a little confused, based on the seriel # it could be a GH1 or a GH1B? How do I find out? Does it even make a difference?

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It is a GH1B, The serial number is prefaced with the "B".

it IS better than the GH1 but still very unstable, at least when new.


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YES! I DIDN'T buy the worst piano on the face of the planet!!!
Appreciate all the input!

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Cheni,
You would have had to purchase a 5' Brambach grand from the 1920-1930 period to have earned "worst" piano award.


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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Cheni,
You would have had to purchase a 5' Brambach grand from the 1920-1930 period to have earned "worst" piano award.

I thought the Tokai brand was the "worst" piano, according to some here on the forum. smile

That was my first baby grand piano and I thought it was a pretty decent piano, for my purposes.

Like beauty, I suppose "worst" is in the eye of the beholder. laugh

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Sometimes, things about pianos that really bug us technicians, don't really even register with owners, in certain markets. I think the tuning issue at the break can be one of them. You seem to own this GH1...enjoy it. If the tenor break instability bugs you, it can be fixed. If it doesn't bug you, well then, it really doesn't matter.

When well tuned, they can, with reasonably minor voicing, be a reasonable piano. And, Yamaha actions are well designed and playable, as opposed to cheap Chinese entry level grands, which despite the "really, this time, we really got that under control" BS continue to play like trucks, at least at the entry level.

Just keep it well tuned and maintained...minimum 2x per year, more if your ear is picky.

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Re: Doesn't anyone like the Yamaha GH1?!!
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Actually my technician worked on the piano for 3 hours today, and it sounds great! I'm relieved.

Now I'm just curious, how is the GH1B different from the GH1?

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