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Video of my last concert in Houston! #2292522
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Hello!!! I'm new in this forum, My name is Christian and I'm a pianist, conductor and composer from Argentina. I share with this forum a video from my last concert in Houston. I hope that they like, if you don't like please don't waste your time in comment the video I don't care negative comments. Best Regards for all in this forum!!


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Re: Video of my last concert in Houston! [Re: Heliogabalo] #2292544
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Welcome, thanks for posting! And yes, I think it's quite good -- but there are suggestions that could be made, and let me say that the positive comments that you get would be more meaningful if you didn't say basically that we're only allowed to make positive comments! smile

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I didn't say that I only accept positive comments, I'm only say that I don't want negative comments,so I accept Constructive critiques about my interpretation but no suggestions about the orchestra, about the sound recording, about the quality of video, etc. that don't contribute anything! thanks for watch my video!

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I have thoughts, but I hate to break your ground rules, so perhaps I'll just keep them to myself.


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Re: Video of my last concert in Houston! [Re: Heliogabalo] #2292688
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Re: Video of my last concert in Houston! [Re: Heliogabalo] #2292702
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This is very much a free speech forum, replies can cover a wide gamut. No matter who a pianist is it is impossible to make everyone happy and non-constructive criticism will happen with public exposure.

About your playing, one thing I liked was the absence of the salad tossing I've noticed increasingly in recent years from pianists. This occurs when during the playing a pianist moves one or both hands in a manner identical to that of tossing a salad. There are other things pianists do as well other than toss an imaginary salad. You for the most part don't do any of those other things, and as well it is late here and I don't have a complete tableaux of these to post, so I'll just leave those items out.

I tend to be a bit of a neutralist, so my responses can be under whelming, but I don't do non-constructive criticism either.

What is of most interest are the compositions but I couldn't find any references to them online other than here.

Thanks for sharing the video!

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Okay, no one else has said it so I will. This belongs under Members Recordings Pianist Corner.

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Originally Posted by Damon
Okay, no one else has said it so I will. This belongs under Members Recordings Pianist Corner.
[Linked Image] Didn't I just say that?


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You have really nice hands; I especially like your pinkies.


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Originally Posted by Heliogabalo
I didn't say that I only accept positive comments, I'm only say that I don't want negative comments,so I accept Constructive critiques about my interpretation but no suggestions about the orchestra, about the sound recording, about the quality of video, etc. that don't contribute anything! thanks for watch my video!
Well, here's some news for you: When you go public you can't exactly go back and certainly you can't control what others will tell you.

Get used to this, or really don't post anything else online.

I'm being harsh lately, aren't I? grin

EDIT: And to say something nice, just in case: You ARE playing the Rachmaninov concerto (3rd movement) with an orchestra. This alone is a HUGE wow and one that I've not done myself... wink

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Can I comment on the bored-looking old people in the audience?


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Ok, no comments about the orchestra! smile

What a fantastic opportunity! In my dreams I am playing Rachmaninoff with an orchestra.

Lo has conseguido...mil gracias por compartirlo. Rach es rey!

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Thanks, yes Rach is the king in september I'll play in Brazil this same concert and the next year the piano concerto 3, so difficult!

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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
This is very much a free speech forum, replies can cover a wide gamut. No matter who a pianist is it is impossible to make everyone happy and non-constructive criticism will happen with public exposure.

About your playing, one thing I liked was the absence of the salad tossing I've noticed increasingly in recent years from pianists. This occurs when during the playing a pianist moves one or both hands in a manner identical to that of tossing a salad. There are other things pianists do as well other than toss an imaginary salad. You for the most part don't do any of those other things, and as well it is late here and I don't have a complete tableaux of these to post, so I'll just leave those items out.

I tend to be a bit of a neutralist, so my responses can be under whelming, but I don't do non-constructive criticism either.

What is of most interest are the compositions but I couldn't find any references to them online other than here.

Thanks for sharing the video!


Thanks for watch the video, I don't know what is this movement of salad tossing please give me a example!! I hate the the movements and confuse interpretation in Lang Lang, this is so dramatic and bored!

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Originally Posted by Atrys
You have really nice hands; I especially like your pinkies.

Thanks, but this comment is so sordid and disturbing

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Originally Posted by Damon
Okay, no one else has said it so I will. This belongs under Members Recordings Pianist Corner.
I'm new in this forum so I don't know Where post my video
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Originally Posted by Heliogabalo
I didn't say that I only accept positive comments, I'm only say that I don't want negative comments,so I accept Constructive critiques about my interpretation but no suggestions about the orchestra, about the sound recording, about the quality of video, etc. that don't contribute anything! thanks for watch my video!
Well, here's some news for you: When you go public you can't exactly go back and certainly you can't control what others will tell you.

Get used to this, or really don't post anything else online.

I'm being harsh lately, aren't I? grin

EDIT: And to say something nice, just in case: You ARE playing the Rachmaninov concerto (3rd movement) with an orchestra. This alone is a HUGE wow and one that I've not done myself... wink
Well I know that I don't have the control to do that people say beauty things but I think that people could talk whit technique arguments or about interpretation. I supose that is a pianist forum so this forum have pianist of all the world And I really like Share opinions of pianists who loves the music. I played the complete concerto later I'll upload. Thanks for watch the video.

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I upload a part of the first movement! Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54tRl7BuG6A

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Re: Video of my last concert in Houston! [Re: Heliogabalo] #2295133
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Originally Posted by Heliogabalo
I upload a part of the first movement! Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54tRl7BuG6A


Was it the conductor who chose this tempo, or did you mutually agree upon it?

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Next time pick up a concerto that both you and the orchestra can handle. I did not listen to the first movement. All I can say about the last movement is that it is not performance ready yet.

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Originally Posted by Hakki
Next time pick up a concerto that both you and the orchestra can handle. I did not listen to the first movement. All I can say about the last movement is that it is not performance ready yet.

Sorry but I canīt accept critics for people that play of this form "https://app.box.com/s/s7qr07harwb6wg0uuex7" Good luck!!

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Originally Posted by Heliogabalo
Originally Posted by Hakki
Next time pick up a concerto that both you and the orchestra can handle. I did not listen to the first movement. All I can say about the last movement is that it is not performance ready yet.

Sorry but I canīt accept critics for people that play of this form "https://app.box.com/s/s7qr07harwb6wg0uuex7" Good luck!!


I agree Hakki's way of putting it may have sounded harsh, but it's an opinion that I can say most of us can agree upon. It's tough, but that's the way it is.
And btw, his performance of the Pathetique was very fine, and although critics can (as always) be made, he has much more control of what he's doing than you. Exactly what did you find so bad on his performance? You can say it in spanish, no biggie.

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Originally Posted by Francisco Scalco
....You can say it in spanish, no biggie.

....and actually I'd prefer it in Spanish, since I'm trying to get better at it and I like to get all the practice I can. I'll try to answer in Spanish too -- and BTW I will welcome negative comments as well as positive ones on how I do. smile

To Helio: Sorry if it seems I'm having a little too much fun with this "positive" and "negative" stuff. But really, it's hard not to.

We can understand that you want to avoid nasty comments, but maybe ironically, trying to forbid anything in advance is in itself a negative. It automatically puts a negative atmosphere on the whole thing -- in addition to stifling the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Heliogabalo
Originally Posted by Hakki
Next time pick up a concerto that both you and the orchestra can handle. I did not listen to the first movement. All I can say about the last movement is that it is not performance ready yet.

Sorry but I canīt accept critics for people that play of this form "https://app.box.com/s/s7qr07harwb6wg0uuex7" Good luck!!


https://app.box.com/s/s7qr07harwb6wg0uuex7

I've taken out the quotes around the link; now it works.

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I don't know... I mean that hair cut? Get those hair of yours cut and you will be better off! grin (Kidding obviously, just in case the smiley is not enough).

What about from me? Can you accept feedback from me? It's the same as Hakki I'm afraid. Or what about from someone you don't know much about?

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Look, I said it above and I'll say it again. Once you put it on the net, legally nothing happens, but in reality it enters the norm of para-Internet! You see now people can take your video and do whatever they want.

Have you ever seen pictures being deformed and ridiculous to a... ridiculous level, just because someone asked a simple question?

I actually can't see that, due to country bans, but here it should be: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/2394/

It's not to say that something like this might happen to you, or your video. But being so defensive won't do you much good.

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Originally Posted by Heliogabalo
Originally Posted by Hakki
Next time pick up a concerto that both you and the orchestra can handle. I did not listen to the first movement. All I can say about the last movement is that it is not performance ready yet.

Sorry but I canīt accept critics for people that play of this form https://app.box.com/s/s7qr07harwb6wg0uuex7 Good luck!!


Believe me, it is the best possible critic you could hear from people that play of this form.

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Hi Christian, I can see that you are proud of your performance, and you should be! The number of persons on the planet who can play this is a very minuscule per cent of the whole. On that basis alone it is exceptional.

I think what is being said by posters here is that this level of excellence, which I know you have worked hard to achieve, isn't the end point, it is only the starting point for a dedicated artist. Many of us have heard all of the best and most noble recordings of this work stretching back for many decades, and we want to hear you take your playing of it to the next level.

I think you can go further with it. This is not criticism, it is a compliment in disguise.

All of us press to go further, especially the very best, which is why the best are so good at what they do.

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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
I think you can go further with it. This is not criticism, it is a compliment in disguise.


I start to get nervous when my teacher nods and smiles but doesn't say much. I know things are getting really bad when she starts giving nondescript compliments. And the lesson is going disastrously when she feels compelled to say something about how far I've come in lieu of saying anything about what I just played.

It's when I feel like I'm drowning in detail and being made to go back until she's satisfied that I realize this is a lot better position to be in than the alternative. When she has dozens of things to say about one line of music, or will stop me cold with a disappointed slap on her leg for a tiny error and won't let me wave it off that I know she fundamentally believes I'm better than that and I've got more to give. It means someone has high expectations and isn't lowering standards for you.




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Originally Posted by TwoSnowflakes
Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
I think you can go further with it. This is not criticism, it is a compliment in disguise.

I start to get nervous when my teacher nods and smiles but doesn't say much. I know things are getting really bad when she starts giving nondescript compliments. And the lesson is going disastrously when she feels compelled to say something about how far I've come in lieu of saying anything about what I just played.

Hi TwoSnowflakes, I would rather hear him develop his own ideas for the music then for me to give him any. With technical accuracy Christian probably knows already the issues that performance conditions exposed in his playing of the work.

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