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Re: Casio PX-150 or another digital till around 1100$ (800€) [Re: PedrojbP] #2292789
06/20/14 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PedrojbP
so you're just saying that if we add a good sound system (or headphones) , casio pianos are actually pretty good, is that it?


Latest Casio x50 actions are pretty good. The piano sound itself is subjective for everybody but any digital can be upgraded in this department by the use of software. Speakers in the PX150 are puny but I think you'll find this the case for most "stage/portable" pianos since there isn't much room for big speakers.

Depending on where you live and your level of computer skills, you can get software piano costs down even more. New Acer Chromebooks w/ Celeron 2955U CPU sell for less than $200 in the U.S. (Occasionally see it on sale for $180.) It only runs ChromeOS by default but if you can follow instructions, you can install Ubuntu Linux on it in order to run Pianoteq. There are also Intel NUCs and Asus Chromeboxes even cheaper (~$140ish) since they don't include display/keyboard/mouse but you'd need to be comfortable controlling a computer via VNC/remote desktop/etc.

You also don't need to immediately jump into the deep end with amps/speakers/external audio interfaces. I currently used my laptop's built-in audio + $20 2.1 computer speakers and it works pretty good up to 85% volume. 85% volume is already pretty fricking loud for playing at home so at this time, I'm standing pat. Cheap speakers may not accurately reproduce what you hear on headphones but luckily, I can adjust speaker position and Pianoteq config to get close enough.

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Re: Casio PX-150 or another digital till around 1100$ (800€) [Re: MossySF] #2292839
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IMHO, if you re a beginner, probably the sound difference will not really make a big difference (the preference in term of piano sample). Anyway, it will not prevent you to play well.

I think action and feeling "connected" with sound is more important.

The quest for the "perfect" sound is a syndrom for some users, but not for the majority. For example are you upset with sound quality in general, do you avoid using MP3 with compression, what level of HiFi equipment you have at home, in your car, etc.

For me, embdded sound generator are quite convincing, and realistic enough to play with pleasure and expression something.Try that, and as MossySF said, you can upgrade to external sound generator later (ie sofware from computer), to have this upgrade path, check for MIDI OUT / AUDIO IN to include your laptop as a new sound generato system. Then, think you have to start your computer, launch your sofware every time you want to play (do windows upgrades, etc).

Having a really good realistic (wide, rich, dynamic) sound experience (without headphone), will impact your budget. I know many people say they use headphones, but, I feel this quite "tiring" and not so confortable (especially if you are not alone, and you want to stay mobile), so personnaly I often play without headphone (even if "open" headphone is an improvement). In that case, you need to jump to "non portable" DP. Consider casio PX 850, or Kawai CN34 for example. If you want to upgrade a PX-150 to do so, you will need an AUDIO out and an AMP + dedicated speakers. Consider the "design" / "beauty" of an upgraded set too. So if playing without headphone, just for you, or more over to "fill" the room, portable slab will not be good.

But you can't have every think perfect for this price tag. You are 19 (perhaps a student requiring some mobility, playing in a small student room), and a beginner, I imagine a slab with low speakers + headphone should be OK for your kind of usage / constraints. So PX-150 could be a good choice, if you are intertested in explroing sound and accompaniement (for example for jazz impro, pop songss, etc) as something fun to do in addition to your "acadamic piano learning", upgrading to PX-350 is a good idea.

Even if you settle and consider an accoutic, or a DP as an accoutic replacement, having your slab as a complmentary instrument makes sens (silent playing at night, master keyboard for MIDI and your computer studio, gigging, etc).

But in any case, visit a shop and try casio (and other models), to make sure you buy somehting you like.

Re: Casio PX-150 or another digital till around 1100$ (800€) [Re: PedrojbP] #2292865
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Thanks guys, those are some pretty deep and useful advices.

Like you said, zack. I am 19 and currently studying medicine. I'll attend some piano lessons this summer to relearn the basics (like, read sheets etc etc) and then I'll most likely just practice at home, in my free time, to relax.

SO yeah, for now, like I said in a previous reply, I might use headphones or not a loud volume, so that I don't bother the neighbours. And just a few times I'll be able to put the volume loud and enjoy the playing.
As for the sound, I don't really know the difference between the brands, I still didn't have the time to visit a store yet, but I do value a good piano sound, although I would like a bunch of tones to have fun aswell.

Re: Casio PX-150 or another digital till around 1100$ (800€) [Re: PedrojbP] #2292868
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Am I the only one that find PX-150's speaker system bad. Like it's that bad that it's a must that you have to combo a monitor+pianoteq or a library?

Re: Casio PX-150 or another digital till around 1100$ (800€) [Re: PedrojbP] #2292877
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The cheaper Casios (and all budget DPs to an extent) are let down by their speaker system. This is probably fortunate because it's unimportant if you're using headphones, and if you do want room-filling sound of good quality, you can always plug into a better system of some sort (powered monitors/ PA/ hi-fi).

Since Casio keyboard quality is really very good - some users on this forum say it's the preferred option among budget to mid-range keyboards, and since the piano sound engine is probably pretty good (though I'm not personally familiar with them), you get a good deal from a PX-150.

As Beakybird said above, you can get some piano software and a speaker system and link the PX150 to a computer, and you've got a state of the art digital piano system for around €1000. That's good going!

If you're thinking of going that way, they keyboard feel and quality are the main considerations. But some people really want or need the entire DP to be in one portable package, without all the bother of software and external speakers. Then, obviously, you need to evaluate the whole package, as it comes.


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