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Garritan Yamaha CFX...unimpressed... #2292425 06/20/14 02:06 AM
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The upper middle register in this YT demo sounds truly naff to my ears. Check out in particular at 0:20 and 1:25 where the RH is playing a D9 chord. I hear something akin to a light tremolo in the chord. I suppose it's possibly some kind of cross modulation effect unique to the combination of notes being played - or YT itself messing things up - but the whole of the short passage leading up to that chord sounds horrible, almost like a toy piano.

I had a dig around this morning for more recent news following an email shot from the distributors. My guess is sales have been disappointing. On the basis of what I'm hearing, and for the price, I expect they'll remain so.

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Re: Garritan Yamaha CFX...unimpressed... [Re: dire tonic] #2292558 06/20/14 12:12 PM
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yeah, the YT recording doesn't do a lot for me either.

I'd love to add this to my stable, but don't think i can pull the trigger on it. its not just the $249 price, which is pretty steep for a single piano (although i think they warrant a premium for being the first one out with a credible sampled piano of the CFX- so maybe $199?....), but i'd have to basically start over again with my equipment to meet the needs to process the huge program. I just can't psyche myself up to buy more/faster processing power and a faster separate sample drive just for this. Not when i can run the Ivory pianos and the Vintage D just fine with my 8 year old XP desktop. Maybe whenever i upgrade my system....

I'm not sure its worth the storage capacity to create long detailed samples of acoustic resonances etc. Seems to me modeling those and applying them to a well-recorded in-depth sampled note makes more sense and is a more practical solution. Akin to using Roland's supernatural piano approach to more detailed recorded samples.


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Yes, I agree with you both, whole-heartedly ...

Those grapes are really sour. grin


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Yes, I agree with all three of you. What was the topic, again?

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Originally Posted by bfb
I'd love to add this to my stable, but don't think i can pull the trigger on it. its not just the $249 price, which is pretty steep for a single piano (although i think they warrant a premium for being the first one out with a credible sampled piano of the CFX- so maybe $199?....), ...

I think it is still $299, but that is really overpricing it as it is now. I've heard some good demo's, but playability would really be a problem for me with no partial pedaling and no repedaling. That's years behind technically for a premium price.

Edit: I see that Sweetwater is now selling it for $50 off, or $250. Still too much for me until they add the pedaling features.

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Re: Garritan Yamaha CFX...unimpressed... [Re: dire tonic] #2292846 06/21/14 03:26 AM
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I think to judge it just from that YT clip is premature. I agree about the sound of that clip though - but the background and walk-through videos on the Garritan website at least show what lengths they went to to build this product. I've never used a sample library and don't have the confidence to jump in for some reason. But I feel I'm missing out. One of the libraries that most whets my appetite is the Garritan CFX I have to say.


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FWIW, this looks like a new demo/walk-through from Garritan.


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I'm perplexed - why do I prefer this recording of a Toyo piano, done by J. Random User at home, to the CFX library, which is sampled from one of the best pianos in the world, presumably by experts? *SHRUGS*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JpKjNLA0eI

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The piano is out of tune beginning with the first chord and out of tune for every register with certain spots worse than others, so the whole piano is quite a bit out. Without a good tuning, comparison would not be valid.

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Guess I'll be waiting for the "Garritan All Messed Up CFX" library then. smile

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Or just use Pianoteq and set the condition slider to All Messed Up smile

Actually, there is something to this. I actually do slide the condition slider slightly out of tune on Pianoteq, but not too much - 0.15. I like it better when a software piano is not perfectly in tune, but not quite as out of tune as the YouTube vid.

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Yes it is a bit too out of tune for me too. I think Bruno Mars' "When I Was Your Man" strikes a pretty good balance - it's just a little bit honky tonk. Sounds excellent.

I have Pianoteq but I'm still not happy with the tone in general. One day.....

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- here to eat my words! I've just bought the CFX from this outfit (seemingly the best price for some time at £129 including tracked postage, most other dealers have returned to £199).

It's a most rewarding piano to play - yes, like every library, it's flawed in some respects; pedalling has not yet been sorted out (which bothers me less than some here), Aria engine (not thrilled with it), sustain pedal seems to open up the sound too much, almost like a reverb. But a generous response seeming to give back more than you ask of it, impressive complement of the best microphones around with a variety of perspectives, playability as good as anything else around. Bright and brash but also sensitive, not unlike the Ravenscroft but without some of the quirky harmonics present in the latter.


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Great news! Not sure if this is enough of an excuse for me to buy it but definitely moving in that direction

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Update! I've already mentioned the effect of the sustain pedal sounding more like a reverb.

There's an additional concern and I'm hoping this is just pilot error on my part, but any setting I've tried so far to extend sample release appears to be little more than the addition of variable amounts of reverb. This would matter less for an ambient or reverberant 'audience' or big-hall performance setting but together with the sustain pedal effect mentioned above I'm finding it difficult to get a nuanced, dryish player perspective.

(thinks: is it possible that there are no release samples in this library?)*

If anyone else also using this library has any insight to offer, please post!

* ETA; blurb mentions release samples but the three controls don't cooperate in an immediately intuitive manner...to me, anyway.

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Now that you have it, you can make a slow & romantic demo like you were asking for in another thread. smile

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Originally Posted by sullivang
Now that you have it, you can make a slow & romantic demo like you were asking for in another thread. smile

that's true...I'll put something up. There's a Schumann recital next month, so I'll provide a link when it's done.

Latest wobbler; Sustain is supposed to be off between 0 and 63 and on from 64 up. The CFX is kicking in at value 1!!! For a simple on/off pedal this wouldn't be a problem but for a pedal providing continuous data (as does the VPC1 sustain) it means you only have to touch it lightly and it's on...wtf! I've set up a transform in Cubase otherwise it would be a damn nuisance.

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Thanks - looking forward to it.

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