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Piano teachers do not accept digital piano
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I'm looking for a piano teacher for my son who is just turning 5. I have a digital piano, and to me it seems that it should be OK for at least a beginners. But all the piano teachers I contacted required an acoustic piano instead of a digital one.

I really don't understand why they are so strict about this. I still don't know whether this is going to work for my son, and a piano is a big investment. Why I can't let my son start on the digital piano and buy a real one if he's really into it? I have been learning piano by myself on and off on the digital piano, and I have also practiced on a real piano in a few occasions. For me the feel of the digital piano is close enough to the real one. I did some research online, and find that at least for some teachers, for example, this one, believe that digital piano is OK for at least the first couple of years.

Do you think the requirement of these teachers reasonable? Do you guys suggest I keep looking for one who accept digital piano or you also think it's absolutely necessary to have a real one?

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Which digital do you have? Are the keys weighted?

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bigsmile #2292186 06/19/14 02:25 PM
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Digitals are fine; traditions are slow to evolve. The typical problem with digital is that students routinely neglect to play at/with the bottom of the keys--when the have their recitals on a grand piano, it is often pretty easy to tell who has a grand at home to practice on and who a digital. However, it is a tendency, that can be overcome and compensated for with the right approach by the teacher. Besides, there are sooooooo many other important things to learn about music and thinking than to be so concern with the limits of pianistic technique in the beginning stages.

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It's a Casio Px100, it has weighted keys.

Actually, it was my wife who was contacting the teachers, and she told me she said "keyboard", instead of digital piano. I think that's probably the reason the teachers rejected it. We'll try ask them again. At any rate, considering we are living in an apartment, I really want to use the digital piano for the time being to be on good term with my neighbors.

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bigsmile #2292193 06/19/14 02:37 PM
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Yeah...pianists and teachers dislike "keyboards;" neighbours dislike acoustic grands. One has to make compromises in life and learning sometimes...

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bigsmile #2292204 06/19/14 02:57 PM
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Thanks for the reply.

To be honest, I'm not that into classic music. I have no intention of entering my son into serious competitions, at least not before he show any sign of being talented at this, he's not the competitive type.

I like music myself, as I said, I learn piano by myself on and off. I mostly want to introduce my son to music. I also want him to be good at piano, but I'm not that keen about him being able to play difficult classic works, but just having a way of expressing himself through keyboard.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I just want him to be mediocre. I actually want him to be good, but I don't want him to just be good at playing difficult piano musics, but to be good at a broader sense, to be proficient in keyboard music or even music in general.

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I changed my post because it repeated too much of what was already posted. To me it sounds like you have a healthy and realistic mindset. May you and your son find the rewards in music making as it suits you. The PX-100 is now a little outdated but it's still a good usable starter unit.

I'll add that after 2 years of playing, I switched from a pretty good digital (Korg Triton) to a modest Korean upright. The Triton went unplayed for 3 years and is up for sale. I'm fortunate that I have a situation where volume control is not a big issue.

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I am not a teacher but I think you should ask/ check with your son.

If he gets inspiration to play also from a DP, then it's probably fine. If he stops playing in a few months, it might be that he is bored with the DP sound.


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Yes, I'm sure that with many of those teachers, saying "keyboard" implies non-weighted keys, and less than 88. A keyboard is generally not going to last them 2 months, whereas a digital piano could last a couple of years. The Casio, while an older model (and not as good as the entry-level Casio PX-150s out now), it's still decent enough.

Call back some of those teachers and clarify that it is a piano, with 88 weighted keys. You may still find some rejection, but you only need one teacher smile . Many teachers aren't up on digital pianos in the past 10 years and they've made huge strides. Again, your model is not cutting edge, but it is still better than what used to pass for digital pianos 10 years ago.


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It's discussed in the link below, which also leads to a teacher's in depth assessment.
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I have read Rachel Iris Jimenez's article, it give me great confident in letting my son use digital piano. Thanks for the read.

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It's discussed in the link below, which also leads to a teacher's in depth assessment.
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If you look hard enough, you'll find piano teachers who teach on a digital. Sometimes that's all a piano teacher can afford to buy.


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I don't think the problem is whether teachers use digitals in the studio, but rather whether they will accept to teach students who use digital pianos.

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I teach on a digital. You're fine.

I don't agree with those teachers at all, but hey, I only started teaching a year and a half ago.

I've got my Advanced Diploma, am halfway through year 2 of the Bachelor, and all my home practising has been done on a digital piano. My recitals have been on grand pianos. Yes, digital and acoustic pianos are a bit different, but the skills translate from one to the other.

I hope you find a reasonable teacher.


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The typical problem with digital is that students routinely neglect to play at/with the bottom of the keys...

This part puzzled me, for a reason. Acoustic pianos will produce sound when the hammer only descends a smaller distance. I use a digital piano. You cannot produce sound unless you go quite near the bottom, and this is a known thing about digitals. There are some fancier more expensive models that have sensors at two locations, so that you can expand your touch in regards to distance. This is why the statement that students playing digitals would not go far enough down into the keys surprised me, since a problem is that we have to go quite a ways down. Could there be other factors involved? Are you getting this from the students themselves - ones that you teach or talk to?

Before I bought my DP, I visited quite a few stores and explored what was out there. I remember a cheap Casio with spring loaded keys which would have created poorish habits. I once had a keyboard which was more like a toy with gimmicks. The touch was lighter than the keyboard I'm typing on. By any chance, are you thinking of those? That one would create the behaviour you describe.

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bigsmile, I think Morodiene has the key: tell teachers it's a digital piano with weighted keys. Don't call it a keyboard.


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Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by A443
The typical problem with digital is that students routinely neglect to play at/with the bottom of the keys...

This part puzzled me, for a reason. Acoustic pianos will produce sound when the hammer only descends a smaller distance. I use a digital piano. You cannot produce sound unless you go quite near the bottom, and this is a known thing about digitals.


Just guessing. But digitals have a master volume control. It is important to set it to a level that approximates an acoustic piano, then leave it alone and do all your dynamics with touch. But if you set it too high, or move it around, you might get that effect.


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hey guys im new to the forum, and recently taking my practice as a piano teacher to the next level in terms of scale, recently opened our new facility north york piano studio

and i have to admit i hadnt put much thought until now about the reasoning behind many teachers not accepting digital. But thanks for sharing i mean I do see many of the points made as valid but at the same time its in m eyes understandable not everyone will be able to afford a grand piano for home use smile and that being the case i find digital as a reasonable tool so long as my student also get practice on the real thing.


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Originally Posted by A443
The typical problem with digital is that students routinely neglect to play at/with the bottom of the keys...

This part puzzled me, for a reason. Acoustic pianos will produce sound when the hammer only descends a smaller distance. I use a digital piano. You cannot produce sound unless you go quite near the bottom, and this is a known thing about digitals. There are some fancier more expensive models that have sensors at two locations, so that you can expand your touch in regards to distance. This is why the statement that students playing digitals would not go far enough down into the keys surprised me, since a problem is that we have to go quite a ways down. Could there be other factors involved? Are you getting this from the students themselves - ones that you teach or talk to?

Before I bought my DP, I visited quite a few stores and explored what was out there. I remember a cheap Casio with spring loaded keys which would have created poorish habits. I once had a keyboard which was more like a toy with gimmicks. The touch was lighter than the keyboard I'm typing on. By any chance, are you thinking of those? That one would create the behaviour you describe.


Some of that may be partly true of some of the cheaper digital units.
A little farther up the scale are units with quite acceptable velocity curves.
Farther yet, customizable velocity curves can match the keyBOARD to the sound emulation (to your liking..., which may or may not match brand/model X/Y acoustic piano).

There REALLY ARE digital pianos with FAR better actions than some acoustic pianos. A GOOD digital piano does beat a POOR acoustic piano.

Anyway, I think the bigger problem with rejecting students' use of (whatever you dislike that they have at home) is that it is often what the parents have ALREADY BOUGHT and the parent/child/teacher triangle becomes a battleground that leads to the loss of yet another student - not just lost from a particular teacher, but lost from music.


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