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#2288511 - 06/11/14 11:35 AM Kawai KG-2E (progress: Tech inspection)  
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We went to see the piano yesterday. It was quite a long drive. My son liked it. We think it is in good condition. Now we need to find a tech to inspect it thoroughly before the final purchase.

One question, should I with the tech while he is doing the inspection, or he can just go alone?

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Thank you all for previous suggestions. We went to a piano dealer last weekend and tested several Yamaha. True, GB-1Ks are too small. We were kind of disappointed that several bigger ones didn't sound nicely either. After playing on them, my son voted for a new GC2 or an old Baldwin.

Don't know why, we like the sound from the Baldwin better than other pianos in the shop. Maybe because we are having an old upright Baldwin.

Going to check a Kawai KG-2E from an owner this weekend. Any suggestion or comments on this category?

Also, no clue about piano shipping or delivery. How much is it going to be about 80 miles?


Thanks!

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#2288551 - 06/11/14 12:41 PM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: JZ2014]  
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I have an older Howard, made by Kawai (Kawai model 550, equivalent of the Kawai KG2 5'10") and I really like it. It has a nice, mollowish tone with a clean and clear upper treble. It has a medium heavy key-touch, which I like as well... a nice piano.

Good luck, and keep us informed!

Rick



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#2288565 - 06/11/14 01:20 PM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: JZ2014]  
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This particular Kawai grand piano model is an excellent piano. As Rick has indicated, it is a 5'10" piano and was built when the company was under the direction of Shigeru Kawai, a "Golden Age" if you like in the production of Kawai pianos.

Of course the KG-2E piano which you intend to see is an unknown entity and as I have said before, everything depends on the condition of the piano. Its condition is the summation of its history of care including the environment in which it has been kept, its tuning and maintenance and the amount of playing and even the way in which it has been played. A piano which has been subjected to someone mercilessly pounding away at Rachmaninov for hours a day will not be in the same condition as an instrument that has been played moderately.

That said, Kawai grand pianos do have a good reputation for being reliable "work horses".

It seems that the piano you are going to see is privately owned. Pianos should be tuned at least twice a year, but most private owners are slack in this regard and the piano you are going to audition may not be in tune which of course gives an immediate bad impression of the sound.

The negativity of the scenario I have described is not intended as a discouragement, but I hope that it can help you and guide you along the hazardous path of choosing a used piano. If a used piano appeals to you, have it checked by a technician before signing any deal.

All the best!
Robert.

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#2288971 - 06/12/14 03:39 PM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: Robert 45]  
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Thanks, Robert 45!
Going to see it this weekend. In the picture, it seems that this piano is kept next to the kitchen. Is it a bad sign?


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#2289107 - 06/12/14 09:25 PM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: JZ2014]  
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No,not necessarily. The very first Steinway piano was made in a kitchen!

Robert.

#2289156 - 06/12/14 11:46 PM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: Robert 45]  
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Originally Posted by Robert 45
This particular Kawai grand piano model is an excellent piano. As Rick has indicated, it is a 5'10" piano and was built when the company was under the direction of Shigeru Kawai, a "Golden Age" if you like in the production of Kawai pianos.

Of course the KG-2E piano which you intend to see is an unknown entity and as I have said before, everything depends on the condition of the piano. Its condition is the summation of its history of care including the environment in which it has been kept, its tuning and maintenance and the amount of playing and even the way in which it has been played. A piano which has been subjected to someone mercilessly pounding away at Rachmaninov for hours a day will not be in the same condition as an instrument that has been played moderately.

That said, Kawai grand pianos do have a good reputation for being reliable "work horses".

It seems that the piano you are going to see is privately owned. Pianos should be tuned at least twice a year, but most private owners are slack in this regard and the piano you are going to audition may not be in tune which of course gives an immediate bad impression of the sound.

The negativity of the scenario I have described is not intended as a discouragement, but I hope that it can help you and guide you along the hazardous path of choosing a used piano. If a used piano appeals to you, have it checked by a technician before signing any deal.

All the best!
Robert.


As always, good advice from Robert.

#2290453 - 06/16/14 10:29 AM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: JZ2014]  
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Edited my post, but it doesn't go to the most recent topic. So I post the progress and question here again:

We went to see the piano yesterday. It was quite a long drive. My son liked it. We think it is in good condition. Now we need to find a tech to inspect it thoroughly before the final purchase.

One question, should I with the tech while he is doing the inspection, or he can just go alone and let me know the result? Do I need a formal (legal) report, or just his words should be fine?

Thanks!

#2290471 - 06/16/14 10:59 AM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: JZ2014]  
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Since you have already tried, and liked, the piano, it is not important if you are there for the inspection.

Some techs provide a written report, often with a checklist, and others simply in a discussion with you. Remember you will be buying "as is" and you are getting the tech inspection for your own peace of mind. Other than the potential for further price negotiations, it has no legal bearing on the purchase. Do whichever you are comfortable with. Both a written copy and a verbal discussion would be the best.


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#2290523 - 06/16/14 12:55 PM Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: Minnesota Marty]  
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Thanks!

#2290531 - 06/16/14 01:07 PM Re: Kawai KG-2E (progress: Tech inspection) [Re: JZ2014]  
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I've bought a few used pianos... I've never had one inspected by a technician because I felt comfortable enough with my own knowledge of pianos to make an informed judgment/purchase.

So far so good... I did miss seeing some small cracks in the treble bridge on one old upright I bought, but not a lot of money was involved.

The pianos I've purchased were mostly from private sellers. I made an appointment to look at the piano, discuss a final sales price, and, if acceptable, discuss details of the purchase. I prefer to offer earnest money, if necessary, to secure the sale and then make final payment to the seller when the movers show up to move the piano. Of course, the money changes hands before the movers touch the piano.

I would have to feel very comfortable with the seller to pay for the piano up-front pending the move/transport. Cash and carry, if you will.

To be honest, I think I like the thrill of the hunt as much as the prize catch. smile

Rick


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