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Suggestion needed: Baby grand piano - Kawai, Yamaha
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Hello all, I think my questions turn into two separated questions or choices:
1. Choose Kawai Yamaha 5" baby grand or a larger Ritmuller, Hailun, Young Chang piano.
2. Differences between different lines of a same manufacturer, e.g., Rit GH170r vs Pearl River GP170, Young Chang vs Weber.

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Hi New - Welcome to Piano World!

The prices on the Kawais are good. The Yamaha GB1K is a little high. There is really no way to comment on any used piano as we don't know the age or condition of the piano.

Have you considered pianos in a slightly larger length? The very small grands can be a bit tonally lacking as your daughter progresses. You could get in the ~5'8"-6'0" range, within your budget, if you look at some other builders who produce some excellent pianos. There would be a number of options available and the members could be of some help.

Also, your general location would be of help as we might be able to narrow it down further with the knowledge of dealers in your area.

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Hi Marty in Minnesota,
Thank you for your reply. We are in Dallas area.
Do you have any suggestions on other brands? The other dealer has Pramberger, Ritmüller, Pearl River. Any specific models of those brands worth consideration?

Thank You!

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Originally Posted by New to piano
Hi Marty in Minnesota,
Thank you for your reply. We are in Dallas area.
Do you have any suggestions on other brands? The other dealer has Pramberger, Ritmüller, Pearl River. Any specific models of those brands worth consideration?

Thank You!


I have a Rit and love it.

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I'd play all of them, but from the group, I would lean toward the Ritmüller GH-170R or possibly the GH-188R. The few Prambergers that I've played, I have enjoyed. I'm really not a fan of Pearl River.

Another to take on a test drive would be a Hailun HG178.


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Take it from someone who started our search for a piano a little over 5 feet. From our experiences, the extra 6 inches or so made a big difference (behave now Marty!) in sound quality. Plus, the extra half foot was easily absorbed by our room.

I would agree with Marty on the Hailun HG178. I would certainly give it the edge over something like the Yamaha GC2.

Also, not to get into trouble with the "price police" but we were given a firm price on the GB1K (which we chose not to go with). Our price was significantly lower than the one you quoted.




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Hello New to Piano,
Now is your chance to learn more about various pianos. Your daughter should try a range of pianos within your price limits and her opinion will also be important in making your decision. There is usually someone in a piano shop who can play for you. Listen carefully to find a piano that appeals to you.

Once you find a piano or several pianos that you like, then I believe you can start doing your background research on the instrument that best suits your musical needs and aspirations as well as security of warranty, durability of the instrument and brand reputation.

Although in principle, longer grands are better, there is always the factor of the space available in your house to accommodate the piano.

All the best for your search!

Robert.

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Not sure why the little Kawai baby grands get such a bad rap here. I played them recently and thought they were very nice and liked them much better than Ritmullers. I thought the Ritmuller (at least the ones I played) had a thin, bright tone. And thought Hailun was a little rough.

Also, aren't the new Pearl Rivers pretty much or exactly the same as Ritmuller? I heard the only difference was some Rits have Renner hammers.

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Ritmüller has undergone a total redesign and the new ones are quite different that what you might be remembering. Like Essex, they are no longer generic Pearl Rivers.

When comparing 'baby to baby' the Kawai would be OK. Though, in that instance, I would think about Young Chang. However, the suggestion is to look for a larger piano.


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That Yamaha GA1 is worth looking hard it. It outperforms its specs.

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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Ritmüller has undergone a total redesign and the new ones are quite different that what you might be remembering. Like Essex, they are no longer generic Pearl Rivers.

When comparing 'baby to baby' the Kawai would be OK. Though, in that instance, I would think about Young Chang. However, the suggestion is to look for a larger piano.


I was referring to the new Ritmullers, played them a few months ago. And also played a new Pearl River 5'0, very similar to me. I know about the older PR's from 5-10 years ago, and I know they've come a long way from then. Actually, the Kawai dealer where I played the GM-10K - GE-30's, had a new PR and although it's fine, I still think the Kawai's have a better touch, more refined feel and richer tone.

Re: piano size. Although it's true bigger is usually better there are times when I wish I had a smaller piano. This 6'6" can really over power my living room sometimes. I observed, for me at least, a bigger piano may create a habit of playing too soft trying not to overpower the room. And a little piano, creates a habit of playing too hard all the time.

But maybe what you're suggesting in the 5'8" range might be perfect for most homes.


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Thank you all so much for the suggestions!
Will have my daugter to try Ritmuller and Hailun as well. How much difference between Ritmuller and Pear River? I saw a website lists Ritmuller GH-170R to be $12K, but the same size Pear River GP170 is only $8.2k.
Thanks a lot again!

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The Piano Buyer site has detailed descriptions of various brands and current pricing information. You may find it helpful, and it's free to read online.


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Does anyone know if there are dealers that carry Ritmuller and Hailun in the Dallas area? Thanks.

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Hi TBell - Welcome to Piano World!

Dallas Pianos handles Ritmüller and they are about to have a going out of business sale. It starts tomorrow.

I'm not sure who carries Hailun.


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I own a Hailun 178 and it is wonderful to play and holds it't tune very well. I have it tuned every 6 mos. The Ritmuller GH170R was also excellent for it's size and price range but the dealer made the difference in my final decision. Either piano would be an excellent choice. The Hailun 161, for it's 5' 4" size is very good too and would be more in line with the prices you have been quoted.

In the smaller grands, Rit, Hailun, and Brodman seem to have the edge in bang for the buck. Dealer prep is important so buy where they actually do what the manufacturer specifies.

Depending on the age of your daughter, her input can be a major consideration as she will be playing the insturment for many years. Perhaps her teacher will have some helpful ideas as well. This is not a good candidate for a "surprise" gift, especially since your knowledge of pianos is limited.

Someday, this will be a most cherished memory... father and daughter out buying her first piano... enjoy every moment and happy Fathers' Day!

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I was in the same range as you. To be brief, the Kawai models were just not doing it for me.

I'd suggest the Yamaha GC1. I have no idea why your GBK1 price is so high, maybe he quoted you the MSRP? You should be able to get a GC1 for that price.


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Also, aren't the new Pearl Rivers pretty much or exactly the same as Ritmuller? I heard the only difference was some Rits have Renner hammers.


Blaring, wilful and often repeated ignorance by M about what Mary Cushing Smith, hired PTG member by Piano Buyer in 2009 had called "hand down favourite". Countless testimonials here by owners who absolutely love these pianos.For those who still try, note that Ritmuller has been long established as one of the finest little grands on market today. Play your games elsewhere.

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/e8ffb87c#/e8ffb87c/276

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Why get so defensive? Ritmuller's are Pearl Rivers. You wouldn't think Pearl River would destroy their own brand by hoarding the designs only for their Ritmuller's while allowing the Pearl River's to remain in their pre-2009, banjo-like state?

This is what a Pearl River dealer told me anyway, and after playing his new PR's they did seem very similar to the Ritmuller's I played. It's not a bad thing.


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Why get so defensive? Ritmuller's are Pearl Rivers. You wouldn't think Pearl River would destroy their own brand by hoarding the designs only for their Ritmuller's while allowing the Pearl River's to remain in their pre-2009, banjo-like state?

This is what a Pearl River dealer told me anyway, and after playing his new PR's they did seem very similar to the Ritmuller's I played. It's not a bad thing.


Ritmuller makes 2 lines of quality, perhaps you played the cheaper R8 R9 series? They are indeed more similar to Pearl River grands and we don't carry them. When talking about Ritmuller I am strictly speaking about the Premium series UH grands.

http://www.ritmullerusa.com/new-models-grand.html

Fundamentally different from anything Pear Rivers is building. Designed by Lothar Thomma with full duplex,solid spruce soundboards,Maple Rims,Renner hammers, Roslau wire, sand-cast plates: these are widely recognized as stunning little grands. It's almost not possible to try one and not like them. Many virtually fall in love immediately.

Over the years we had a number of entry level Yamaha and Kawai grands: they were immensely helpful selling the Rits..

Sorry, not infomercial - just facts.

Norbert

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