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#2286870 - 06/07/14 04:26 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: Brian Lucas]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Lucas
Originally Posted by Starr Keys
Originally Posted by Brian Lucus
By the way, I've never played a digital that had too heavy of an action. But acoustics... plenty. So for someone with zero knowledge (as the OP claims to have), there's a lot less concern and set up to go with a decent digital. Plus, the cost can be kept reasonable until you're sure she will want to continue.


I don't know if "a lot less concern" is accurate. I've read more than one post from musicians, amateur and professional, who claim to have gotten Tendonitus playing on 88-key Casio's, and I may have myself. But the technology may have changed in the last two years to the extent that this doesn't happen as much.

I misspoke a little. I meant that in a digital, you know what you're getting based on the model. 2 of the same model keyboards will be virtually identical. If you're buying an acoustic, especially used, you'll have to try it out to see what the action is and what kind of condition it's in. Sorry for not being clear.


Or I misread, a little.:) Thanks for the clarification.

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#2286933 - 06/07/14 10:27 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: photocrazy]  
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Another vote for the Yamaha P-155.


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#2286977 - 06/07/14 12:56 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: photocrazy]  
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It's very tempting to play digitals at low volume when using the speakers, so as not to disturb others. This will have the effect of encouraging thumping, which in turn predisposes the player to injuries. Another unfortunate side-effect is that the player never learns to play softly - because, in effect, he's using the volume control on the digital to control the loudness (and it's always easier to play loudly than softly, which requires much more control).

If you want to develop proper piano (as opposed to 'keyboard') technique, you have to play your digital as if it's an acoustic. Therefore, you should set the volume control high enough to simulate the volume from an acoustic when played with the same force. Use headphones if you don't want to disturb others, not turn the volume control down to unrealistically low levels. Not even occasionally. How can any learner pianist develop proper control of tone and dynamics if there is no consistent correlation between how hard he strikes the keys and how loud (and 'brilliant') the sound is - no matter how good the digital?

I've been playing my digital for four years. I've only altered the volume control once - when I replaced my old headphones with a better pair, which has higher impedance and lower sensitivity (therefore requiring a higher volume setting for the same volume). My digital has no speakers - and there is no point in me obtaining any, because I have neighbor problems, so I use headphones exclusively. And I have no problems transferring whatever I've practiced on my digital to any acoustic. (I give a mini-recital to colleagues once a month on an acoustic grand).

BTW, you'll find that a few classical concert pianists who use digitals for late-night practising blog about playing them with the volume control turned right down. Bear in mind that they have real grands to practice on daily, during more social hours; and most of them only use their digitals for specific technical 'drills' (e.g. for mastering tricky sections) and to learn new pieces, to 'get the notes into their fingers' and getting the fingerings sorted out, before going on to interpretative aspects. And they've long ago mastered the control of touch, tone and dynamics required for advanced classical music......


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#2287018 - 06/07/14 03:24 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: photocrazy]  
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Yamaha P-105 serving a pianist for only about two years!? Bitch please, I am an adult and I have no prevision when I'll got another piano. In my country the P-105 is a luxury item though...

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#2287040 - 06/07/14 04:08 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: bennevis]  
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Originally Posted by bennevis
It's very tempting to play digitals at low volume when using the speakers, so as not to disturb others. This will have the effect of encouraging thumping, which in turn predisposes the player to injuries. Another unfortunate side-effect is that the player never learns to play softly - because, in effect, he's using the volume control on the digital to control the loudness (and it's always easier to play loudly than softly, which requires much more control).

If you want to develop proper piano (as opposed to 'keyboard') technique, you have to play your digital as if it's an acoustic. Therefore, you should set the volume control high enough to simulate the volume from an acoustic when played with the same force. Use headphones if you don't want to disturb others, not turn the volume control down to unrealistically low levels. Not even occasionally. How can any learner pianist develop proper control of tone and dynamics if there is no consistent correlation between how hard he strikes the keys and how loud (and 'brilliant') the sound is - no matter how good the digital?

I've been playing my digital for four years. I've only altered the volume control once - when I replaced my old headphones with a better pair, which has higher impedance and lower sensitivity (therefore requiring a higher volume setting for the same volume). My digital has no speakers - and there is no point in me obtaining any, because I have neighbor problems, so I use headphones exclusively. And I have no problems transferring whatever I've practiced on my digital to any acoustic. (I give a mini-recital to colleagues once a month on an acoustic grand).

BTW, you'll find that a few classical concert pianists who use digitals for late-night practising blog about playing them with the volume control turned right down. Bear in mind that they have real grands to practice on daily, during more social hours; and most of them only use their digitals for specific technical 'drills' (e.g. for mastering tricky sections) and to learn new pieces, to 'get the notes into their fingers' and getting the fingerings sorted out, before going on to interpretative aspects. And they've long ago mastered the control of touch, tone and dynamics required for advanced classical music......



You raise some excellent points about digital pianos.



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#2287197 - 06/08/14 02:04 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: photocrazy]  
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Check out the Roland "F-20". Its a great value with 88 keys, a nice sound, and it has MIDI to interface with computers and ipads.


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