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#227819 - 01/19/09 12:28 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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$175K +/- 50K.


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#227820 - 01/19/09 12:32 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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#227822 - 01/19/09 12:45 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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#227823 - 01/19/09 12:46 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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#227824 - 01/19/09 12:50 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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#227825 - 01/19/09 01:54 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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Great to finally meet you and Kathy Frank, I will send you your Mr. Kawai photos soon!


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#227826 - 01/19/09 11:32 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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That's some case on this Bluthner...
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Is it a new model or a rebuillt Bluthner?

#227827 - 01/19/09 11:34 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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Clearly a concept piano...

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The concept being no one can sneak into the room while you're playing without being seen.

#227828 - 01/19/09 12:18 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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hmmm..I kinda like that blue color..not so much the dolphins the blue grows on you..reminds me of Kenny Burrells Blue guitar.. laugh

#227829 - 01/19/09 12:50 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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Your wind instrument looks like a big didgeridoo.

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Yup, looks like a didgeridoo (also known as a didjeridu or didge)

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#227831 - 01/19/09 01:17 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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QUOTE]Is it a new model or a rebuillt Bluthner?
The piano is new and the finish is lacquer.


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#227832 - 01/19/09 01:18 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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#227833 - 01/19/09 01:38 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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Is there any more information on the possibility of a high definition playback system from PianoDisc that was discussed in an earlier post?

#227834 - 01/19/09 03:47 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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looks like so much fun!

were there any piano parties this year?


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#227835 - 01/19/09 04:13 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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That would be a piano finished with mirrors.

To me this is the ultimate case finish - all finish, no case. laugh

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[b] That's some case on this Bluthner...
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Is it a new model or a rebuillt Bluthner? [/b]
This is a new Bluthner model 2 (7'8).
It is a Rosewood veneer with a French polish.


Frank,

It was great seeing you again, and meeting with Kathy at NAMM.
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#227838 - 01/19/09 05:59 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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I'm not sure if it is a french polish - it was discussed in a previous thread somewhere, and Rod said it was laquer...?

Either way, whilst the piano is STUNNING to look at, I find the finish disappointing.

It's milky, as if applied in a damp environment.

When I learnt to french polish I made this mistake early on, and it's not a pleasant effect sadly frown It would look a million dollars done with a Button or Garnet polish!

My opinion only of course...


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That is not a french finish.

#227840 - 01/19/09 09:12 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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That is not a french finish.
Of course not - it's *German*.... wink

I admit.. must hand it to Bluethner....

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#227841 - 01/19/09 09:41 PM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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Corporate culture is established at the top. Saw a statement by the CEO, B. J. Park, to the effect that YC must change everything . . . . Long term success requires commitment and passion.
Time will tell. So far he has followed through with everything he has told me. That really is his long-term plan and vision. He has been remarkably open to suggestion.


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Larry Fine said in his supplement that Young Chang is in a group whose QC is variable. IMO the best advice they could receive is, "Buy CNC machines and slow down."
The company actually has a large number of CNC machines. Part of my work there is integrating the design with the capabilities of the machinery and then working to improve those areas that do not lend themselves readily to machine operation.


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Did you have to sell YC on product differentiation? No matter how it was done, IMO it's a good thing for consumers. Never did really like the Petrof/Weinbach approach and much prefer Steinway's Family of Pianos concept - three different tonal palettes at three different price points. (Sorry that Ronsen will not be supplying the hammers.)
Yes. Just as I have to sell them on any design or process change I recommend. I would not want them accept everything I tell them without question. Anyone working in my capacity—an independent consultant who does not have a long history with the company and who does not even speak the same language—must expect this. As long as I can give good, sound reasons for the decisions I make they have been open to them.


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Extra bracing and elimination of the tuned duplex - the former is easy to understand, but how in the world did you persuade YC to let go of that front duplex? Someone there must really respect you.
It might have been the performance of the first prototype that was convincing.


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Many decry the loss of interest in acoustics, but IMO do not take sufficient note of the interest in digitals. Lots of creativity among the young is being expressed in the digital realm. There was a time when Kurzweil was a premier brand. Hope that Park can make it so, again.
He is certainly working toward that end. I, however, am not qualified to comment on whether or not progress is being made with the digital instruments.

A side note: One of the side benefits of this work is the opportunity to meet some interesting people. While at the NAMM show I met Ray Kurzweil and was able to chat with him at some length—a very interesting man.


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Re your own pianos, I posted that the steel plates would be water cut, but was corrected by a tech! Ho, hum. Any release date?
Well, it may end up being cut by abrasive waterjet. This gives a slightly smoother cut surface. For me the biggest advantage of going with laser cutting technology is that the job shop doing this work is just down the street.

No date as yet. I work on the project as time and resources permit.

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The discussion reminds me on the time Joseph Pramberger tried to build a much better piano at Y.C. called then after himself.

I once spoke to Joe [when he was still alive...] and asked him exactly about the difficulties he encountered when doing his project in Korea.

Joe was very open about this: interestingly enough, it had nothing to do with *machines* or *equipment*.

Perhaps things have changed since: the last time I saw Y.C pianos at NAMM 2007 I was actually quite pleasantly surprised.

Perhaps another example that bar is constantly being raised and the stakes in the industry moving upwards...

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At the Kawai Dealer Reception (thanks for the invite Hale, enjoyed meeting you and the others).

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#227845 - 01/20/09 01:14 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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A few other pianos from the show...

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If you move quickly, you can see a bunch of pictures and videos on the NAMM web site.

If I get a chance I'm going to try to download/copy some of them.

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#227846 - 01/20/09 01:37 AM Re: NAMM 2009 - Picts & Stuff  
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Wowsers. Apparently Yamaha shelled out some dough to raise the profile of those little digital grands:

http://www.namm.org/namm-show-live/articles/namm-show-2009-video-alicia-keys


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I once spoke to Joe about the difficulties he encountered when doing his project in Korea. Joe was very open about this: interestingly enough, it had nothing to do with *machines* or *equipment*.
I think the key element is the new CEO's attitude. Bringing in Del Fandrich shows some smarts and going for lower tension scales, especially on the Weber line, shows an awareness of product differentiation.

This guy did a great job turning around the auto division - and he's a music lover.

As has been discussed several times in threads re Chinese-made pianos, intent is decisive - as in, IMO, "Slow down."

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Del, are you at liberty to disclose any details of the scale design changes being made to the YC pianos? I assume you're shortening the speaking lengths and increasing the backscale, but is the arrangement of the strings - bass/tenor break, which notes have 1, 2 and 3 strings each, which (if any) are trichord wrapped, etc?


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