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Re: What is the correct pronunciation of Henle (the publisher)?
FSO #2275806 05/14/14 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FSO

I guess you're posting this here because of the terribly correct way she says Rameau's name. grin Anyway, Elaine Comparone happens to be one of my favorite performers. smile

And BTW, as far as I know, she doesn't pronounce her own name as "Cawm-pah-RRRONNN-ay," but "Cahm-p'-RO-ny."

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yes...well...Elaine is kind of off-putting with those speech patterns and accentuations of 'foreign words.' That is accidental affectation brought on by excitement.

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Originally Posted by TwoSnowflakes
And if I want the orange book, not the blue book, I can avoid saying Hayn-leh altogether and just ask for the Veeeeeeeener edition, yes? smile


Yes it is entirely polite to do so smile ....even though the many English native speakers over here, at least the silly ones among them, would smirk, and move on to tell you e.g. about local town names which are funny to English speakers for similar reasons. Well, I will resist the temptation to move this family-friendly thread further along that direction. smile

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....I don't really see why pronouncing a word/name as it would be pronounced in its country of origin should be seen as affected.

Forget the "why" or the "should be"; just think of the "would be." smile

Do you see why saying "ParEE" for Paris would be seen as an affectation? (Except when being wry or some such.)

Do you see why saying Rudolf "Zayrkin" would be seen as an affectation?

Maybe you see the "why" of those more than the why of "HAYN-leh."
But even if you don't (as I don't -- I see them equally), I imagine you see the "would be." smile

But heck, don't take it from me -- maybe just try coming here and saying "HAYN-leh," and check out the likely reactions. grin

Mark is right. Here in the states, any attempt to pronounce foreign-sounding names "correctly" is an invitation to ridicule.

I remember stopping in Dubois, Pennsylvania one time, and when I referred to it as DU-BWAH, a couple of the locals broke out laughing and said it's DU-BOYS.

And I also remember my parents always referring to Volkswagens as FOLKS-VAHGENS. Well, it's true that Vs should be pronounced like Fs, and Ws like Vs, but when I started using my parents' pronunciation, my friends called me stupid because I couldn't pronounce the name of a car correctly. I dropped that one in a hurry, and it's been VOLKS-WAGON ever since! grin


It's definitely Doo-BOYS in Pennsylvania! But it's du-BWA anywhere else. Especially if I need to refer to something as being from the forest, heh.



It's also du-BWA when referring to the composer, Pierre Max Dubois, and I don't think it would be considered affected in most places to pronounce it that way. That may be true even if one is in Pennsylvania.



Yes, and Blanche is always du-BWA even on stage in du-Boys.


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And if I want the orange book, not the blue book, I can avoid saying Hayn-leh altogether and just ask for the Veeeeeeeener edition, yes? smile


Yes it is entirely polite to do so smile ....even though the many English native speakers over here, at least the silly ones among them, would smirk, and move on to tell you e.g. about local town names which are funny to English speakers for similar reasons. Well, I will resist the temptation to move this family-friendly thread further along that direction. smile


Let's just say the highway exit signs provoked giggles from my husband and I each and every time we passed one, imagining all offramps had an uncomfortable-looking Austrian with a digestive issue at the end of it. I thought the humor would wear off, and it did not. It appears we are extremely juvenile. During one trip on a highway, I texted a friend of mine living in Switzerland whether or not she stopped finding things like that funny, and she confessed that she still finds them just as funny even with German language fluency. Then she wished me a good ride. smile

Now I'm thinking of exit signs and good rides. Hee hee.

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... a midwestern U.S.'er...


Where we play the pie-ann-uh.


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... a midwestern U.S.'er...


Where we play the pie-ann-uh.

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BTW I spent a few years in Milwaukee without ever becoming able to say the city's name "correctly." ha Among many in Wisconsin, the "aw" sound doesn't exist; it becomes "ah." Thus, "Milwaukee" is Mil-WAH-kee. There's a local street, Teutonia, which among locals is never pronounced any other way than Ty-tonia, which I suppose is their version of the authentic German Toy-tonia. And I guess it's likewise among some in Missouri, since the Anheuser in Anheuser-Busch (the Budweiser company) is An-high-zer.

P.S. We haven't yet gotten to "PIANIST." grin
The common pronunciation with the accent on the first syllable has never made much sense to me, or maybe it's just that it makes me blush. ha ha
That pronunciation does sort of sound like an affectation to me, except that it's so common that it can't really be.

I've never come close to even considering saying it that way, and I even sometimes fail to understand it when someone says it like that. But I do always say "pianism" with the accent on the 1st syllable. Please don't ask me to explain. smile

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And if I want the orange book, not the blue book, I can avoid saying Hayn-leh altogether and just ask for the Veeeeeeeener edition, yes? smile


Yes it is entirely polite to do so smile ....even though the many English native speakers over here, at least the silly ones among them, would smirk, and move on to tell you e.g. about local town names which are funny to English speakers for similar reasons. Well, I will resist the temptation to move this family-friendly thread further along that direction. smile


Let's just say the highway exit signs provoked giggles from my husband and I each and every time we passed one, imagining all offramps had an uncomfortable-looking Austrian with a digestive issue at the end of it. I thought the humor would wear off, and it did not. It appears we are extremely juvenile. During one trip on a highway, I texted a friend of mine living in Switzerland whether or not she stopped finding things like that funny, and she confessed that she still finds them just as funny even with German language fluency. Then she wished me a good ride. smile

Now I'm thinking of exit signs and good rides. Hee hee.


Last fall, I watched a football game where one player was named "Awini." I giggled every time the announcer said his name, and laughed out loud at some of the play descriptions in combination with the name. (I will leave it to your imagination!)


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Last fall, I watched a football game where one player was named "Awini." I giggled every time the announcer said his name, and laughed out loud at some of the play descriptions in combination with the name. (I will leave it to your imagination!)


Ah, football... we play it differently in Europe! smile

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Last fall, I watched a football game where one player was named "Awini." I giggled every time the announcer said his name, and laughed out loud at some of the play descriptions in combination with the name. (I will leave it to your imagination!)


Ah, football... we play it differently in Europe! smile


That too!
I'd probably have laughed every time no matter what the sport. (Unless it were the middle of a long flat cycling stage or a cricket match and which happened to put me to sleep.)


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I have always pronounced it "hen" like the female chicken, and "Lee" like the name. At least, that's my Americanized version of it.

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
I have always pronounced it "hen" like the female chicken, and "Lee" like the name.

What a funny thread, rather like straining at gnats. When I was at uni in the UK, that is how my teacher pronounced it. (Always used Henle for Bach!) Here in the States I don't detect any difference in pronunciation, but there again, it hasn't been much of a priority.



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P.S. We haven't yet gotten to "PIANIST." grin
The common pronunciation with the accent on the first syllable has never made much sense to me, or maybe it's just that it makes me blush. ha ha
That pronunciation does sort of sound like an affectation to me, except that it's so common that it can't really be.
It might actually be an affectation in the US, but everyone says it like that here, and even after teaching music in a high school full of adolescent boys I don't remember any snickers. smile (well not for that, anyway...)


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Originally Posted by currawong
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P.S. We haven't yet gotten to "PIANIST." grin
The common pronunciation with the accent on the first syllable has never made much sense to me, or maybe it's just that it makes me blush. ha ha
That pronunciation does sort of sound like an affectation to me, except that it's so common that it can't really be.
It might actually be an affectation in the US, but everyone says it like that here.

What other way is there to say it?


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2 syllables vs. 3 syllables and pee vs. pia.

1) pi-uh-nist
2) pi-a-nist (a as in apple)
3) pia-nist (a as in apple)
4) piuh-nist

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
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P.S. We haven't yet gotten to "PIANIST." grin
The common pronunciation with the accent on the first syllable has never made much sense to me, or maybe it's just that it makes me blush. ha ha
That pronunciation does sort of sound like an affectation to me, except that it's so common that it can't really be.
It might actually be an affectation in the US, but everyone says it like that here.

What other way is there to say it?

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not (the brevity of your posts sometimes does not supply sufficient context), but the basic distinction would be "pyan-ist" vs. "pee-a-nist".

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"PEE-a-nist" is just wrong. Besides, it sounds very strange. There are two syllables. Thus: "PYAN-ist."


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PYAN-ist, PEE-an-ist and pee-AN-ist are all correct.

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It's good that you edited your post, because I've never heard it pronounced the second way. The third way I've heard a few times from radio/television announcers who didn't know what they were talking about, but otherwise no.


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