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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
Keith D Kerman #1867886 03/24/12 07:42 PM
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I thought the pianist was working harder with the Steinway, but the sound of the Steingraeber just flowed out. The range of tone and dynamics sounded easier to produce on the Steingraeber. Only the pianist knows for sure.


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Keith D Kerman #1867928 03/24/12 09:21 PM
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Steingraeber for me.
It just had more of a presence and a stupendous bass to my ears.

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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
Keith D Kerman #1867958 03/24/12 10:12 PM
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I think I need to hear how both of those stack up against an Ellenburg...



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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
Keith D Kerman #1868142 03/25/12 09:22 AM
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The truest test would be if WE could all hear the two piano recordings from the same speakers. So, where are we all going to meet? Perhaps a Piano World Listening Party! yippie


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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
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Sorry to bring back such an old thread, but someone just pointed out to me that because our youtube channel changed they couldn't access the videos here. Also, I could not edit the opening post. So, here are the same videos linked in the initial post should anyone dig up this thread again in the future smile

Same music, same pianist, same space, same recording equipment, same piano technician
Steingraeber 205 and vintage Steinway B






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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
Keith D Kerman #2267016 04/25/14 03:22 PM
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Keith, Thanx for re-posting them. They're great vids for anyone thinking about Steinway/Steingraeber - I watched them a lot before buying my 205 from Hurstwood Farm. Of course Eric is a great pianist. I get the sense from his videos that he thoroughly appreciates and enjoys the differences between great pianos.

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When I was given the choice I would take both.. lol.
I do like the Steingraeber a lot but the Steinway sounds so perfect..

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Wow, tough choices. They both sound really nice. Thanks for sharing these videos.


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Sorry, both recordings can be better: too much hiss/noise...

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I do like the Steinway a lot but the Steingraeber sounds so perfect smile

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Tough choice indeed!! I went in determined to like the Steinway best. Huh! Didn't work out that way. The Steingraeber is just gorgeous!!


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I grew up with a B which is amazing and have a M&H AA. But I listened blinded and thought the Steingraeber just smoked the Steinway, which makes me sad. I don't like Steinway as a company, but I love the family heirloom B. Especially now that it is rebuilt. But the Steingraeber has all the warmth, none of the mud, none of the odd sounding notes. Pretty amazing. Did anyone else listen without knowing which they were hearing? I


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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
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Keith:
What a wonderful experience to hear a superb pianist play two such gorgeous instruments. It's delicious to return to this thread.
As an American Boomer, the B is in my DNA. I know that sound intimately. But I have to say that the Steingraeber is equal in every way, but, of course, different.
I remember an occasion that you mentioned that Ravel, who owned an Erard, played Masons in America.
I can imagine Eric Himy playing a BB with equal, but again, VERY different results. For my money, a vintage BB remains the ultimate home/studio piano, wonderful as is the Steinway B.
Sharing your magnificent pianos with us puts us in your debt.
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For some reason, The videos do not appear for me and I get a message "video does not exist". Are these still working for others?


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Originally Posted by Grandman
For some reason, The videos do not appear for me and I get a message "video does not exist". Are these still working for others?

You need to use the more recent links somewhat lower down the page, not the links in the first post.

Both pianos are great but for me the wonderful pure bass of the Steingraeber tips the balance.

Thanks for getting such a fine pianist to demonstrate these instruments!


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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
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Originally Posted by Karl Watson
Keith:
What a wonderful experience to hear a superb pianist play two such gorgeous instruments. It's delicious to return to this thread.
As an American Boomer, the B is in my DNA. I know that sound intimately. But I have to say that the Steingraeber is equal in every way, but, of course, different.
I remember an occasion that you mentioned that Ravel, who owned an Erard, played Masons in America.
I can imagine Eric Himy playing a BB with equal, but again, VERY different results. For my money, a vintage BB remains the ultimate home/studio piano, wonderful as is the Steinway B.
Sharing your magnificent pianos with us puts us in your debt.
Thank you very much.
Karl Watson,
Staten Island, NY


Hi Karl,

I wish I had a recording of Eric on a vintage Mason & Hamlin BB to share. In the mean time, perhaps this 1913 Mason & Hamlin CC will do. smile



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Can't we all just get along? I hear two superb pianos with differing strengths that bring their own individual voice to the music. Does that voice speak to us? Does it bring something that allows us to hear the music in new ways if we are open to it?

To say that Steinway is the only great piano is like saying that there is only one color blue for every painter to use. I may love that color blue, but I sure don't want it to be the only one.

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Re: Steingraeber 205 vs Steinway B
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Just found this-- only 4.5 years late. Lovely contrast, and fantastic playing!

The Steinway sound is a bit more familiar, in a comforting way, to this American, and the differences in tone color among registers is quite intoxicating. Still, it lacks a little clarity, and probably induces a certain kind of virtuosic playing that might not be for everyone.

The Steingraeber is clear and beautiful, if somewhat less varied up and down the keyboard. Perhaps a different piece might make more of that particular virtue.

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Eric Himy's performance is breath-taking. I've listened to both performances twice, although it loses so much through PC speakers!

Dear j&j :
I absolutely recommend a very unexpensive upgrade of your PC speakers to some ultra small monitors like these:


Presonus 3.5

The result will be sensational.



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Keith,
Both videos not playable here. Did you use Adobe Flash which since 2021 is supposed to be dead, at least in Chrome
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