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Re: Grotrian Steinweg 220 [Re: ajw400] #2247586
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Hello. I fully agree with previous Bernd comments. I have just arrived from Frankfurt Musikmesse, playing during 3 days (of course: not the best sound place...) the most known brands (with the exceptions of Steinway, Bechstein and Sauter). In my personal opinion the best grand was the newest (yet in "prototype" fase) Grotrian Steinweg 225 Concert model: perfect light Renner action with the best colour sound, like a rare mixture of the exquisite Bösendorfer with the complexity of the Steingraebers...; perfect sound transition between bass and tenor and fully power of the trebles (despite not individual duplexes or bell devices). A piano which was a great pleasure for singing tone, easy to fall in love with...
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Re: Grotrian Steinweg 220 [Re: wouter79] #2247616
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Piano parts will not wear when not used. If kept from harsh forces such as UV, dust, corrosive chemicals, sooty or smoggy air and pests-the parts will last indefinitely.


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Re: Grotrian Steinweg 220 [Re: ajw400] #2247781
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I'm not an expert. But what I understand there is constant pressure on many parts, particularly felts. Felts will be pressed flat under that constant pressure. Oxygen will cause oxidation and thus detoriation. Steel strings will deform over time, even when not played.

I'm not sure about hammer heads as there is no pressure on them.


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Re: Grotrian Steinweg 220 [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2263283
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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
Grotrians are few in number. There was a dealer in the Seattle area up until about 25 years ago. I have serviced several of the grands he sold.

I have noted several issues with these pianos:

1. Bridge caps splitting in the section of the scale where the front row of bridge pins is even or nearly even with the back row of it's neighboring note.

2. Loose tuning pins because of inadequate back tilt to the tuning pin holes that lets the pin start to climb up out of the hole while tuning. (All other piano makers angle the tuning pin hole against the pull of the strings.)

3. Placement of the tuning pin field in the middle section of strings such that most of the notes have a side bearing as well as the usual up bearing. (This contributes to false beats).

4. Actions with quite heavy hammers and very low static touch-weight which play slowly and can inhibit proper playing technique.

They are interesting pianos, have excellent workmanship, and have many positive attributes; but I wouldn't own one and can't recommend them until they address these issues.


if memory serves, grotrian grands underwent a new scale design in the late 1990s. every single one i have played (the modern models) has a superb action.


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Re: Grotrian Steinweg 220 [Re: ajw400] #2263286
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in the 1970s, the grotrian grands used renner hammers. the modern grotrians have abel hammers.

but this is rather meaningless because in both cases the hammers were pressed to grotrian specs.


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